Just watched Chuvalo-Quarry... B.S. Stoppage?

In 1958, Chuvalo was ranked number 10 for a brief period of time. I think you're overstating how much it takes for on to be a "fringe contender" like that. For example, recently Kevin Johnson was rated number 10 when he faced Vitali Klitschko, without any notable wins.

The likes of Johnny Williams and George Logan were also rated in the top 10 around the time.

Which is why he wasn't rated in the top 10 during 1959, but his wins were enough to kept him near it.

Cleroux off his wins against Chuvalo and Miteff was rated in the top 5 by Ring Magazine. Chuvalo wasn't consistently top 10 in 1960-1961, but he did have the win over Alex Miteff who frequently made the top 10 in the late 50's and early 60's. A win over Miteff put Cleveland Williams in the rankings. You could make the same case about Williams that aside from Terrell, he didn't have too many impressive wins yet he was rated as highly as top 3.

Besmanoff was far from a top fighter, but he came up with the occasional upset win every once in a while, fought pretty much every top fighter in the 1960's and Chuvalo finished him off easier than anyone else had before him including Sonny Liston, Cassius Clay, Zora Folley, Archie Moore and Eddie Machen.

Jerry Quarry also drew twice with Tony Alongi. DeJohn had seen better days, but he had beaten top 5 ranked Bob Cleroux a year before. Chuvalo broke through in 1963 with a #9 ranking but no higher than that. Certainly plausible after a decent year.

His effort against former heavyweight champion Patterson impressed the people at the time more than it does you, seemingly. It was the FOTY and a close decision. No one argues that Chuvalo was a one punch KO artist like Liston or even Johansson, he would simply grind opposition down.

He was as tough as they say he was, evident by the fact that he took Patterson's best punches without hardly blinking. Patterson, small and fragile as you may say he was, could hit (actually in other threads you've said that he was a trendemous fighter who was only taken out by devastating hitters). A close fight against a former champion will catch people's attention.

Chuvalo was steadily slipping from the rankings after the losses to Corletti and Terrell, but the Ali fight salvaged his career. He may have only won one round on the scorecards, but he made much more of a fight out of it than any other Ali challenger.

Even a loss can prove a man's worth if the fight is competitive. And he did have some notable wins in between. Impressive wins over a B or even C-class fighter has been enough for many fighters to make the rankings, see the heavyweights of today. After all it's not like Chuvalo was a top 3 or even top 5 contender most of the time, he barely made the top 10, but he did make it due to a few notable wins, impressive KO's over lesser fighters and some competitive losses with the top fighters.

And he once again fell in the rankings until the win over Quarry.

Chuvalo had dropped out of the rankings by the 70's.

I don't rate Chuvalo as a great contender, but I acknowledge his longevity. He came back from the losses and did enough to deserve a top 10 rating. He was rarely rated top 5 except for a couple of occasions when he managed to score a big win. Making the top 10 is not awfully hard, although remaining a top 10 contender for a decade is.

 

For all purposes,
George Chuvalo's loss to Jimmy Ellis in May 1971 dropped him out of the Top 10.
Madison Square Garden did think of bringing George back in 1972, but the proper
fights were not coming together and he signed to fight Ali in British Columbia.

 

If you had to name the best 15 fighters in the Top Ten of the Heavyweight Division, between 1960 and 1969.
Could you leave George Chuvalo off the list.

And don't knock his decision loss to Eduardo Corletti in January 1966.

 

Found your post to be very inquisitive, and you damn sure know your rankings, and what happened, and what did not happen, I have killer respect for George and probably more than anything, his longevity And toughness, against the best fighter's of his era, I do a research on boxing rankings, and I attach that to a fighter's record when he fought the fighter's who were in the top ten 'at the time' George is 5-10-1 with 3 knockouts (5-8-1, Ring Mag.) Ring had neither Ellis, Nor Mathis in the their ten, When chuvalo fought them however WBA did! I call it the 'Ten Count' Quarry was 8-5-1 (-4 knockouts).

Actually 8-7-1 With Ali I and Chuvalo (neither in the ten at the time!) I believe a top ten win , should be when the guy is actually in the ten, people on this site go by a fighter before, after, and later. -Not a good reference, that means Pedro lovell (Spider rico) gets a top ten win over Billy Daniels!!

 

Off the original question, Quarry was simply counted out. He didn't seem to be paying attention to the count but was putting his mouthpiece in while the count went all the way to ten with Quarry still kneeling.

One could perhaps call this a BS KO, but the referee is certainly not to blame.

Quarry is.

 

if you stay on one knee, clear eye and with it and even counting along with the ref til 15. you're counted out. same with 10

 

Quarry blew the count. Quarry's low opinion of Chuvalo really costs him in this fight. I had Quarry winning 4 rounds prior to the stoppage. If Jerry had fought a smarter fight (like he did vs Foster and Lyle) he would have won by a clear decision. George rocked Quarry several times with the left hooks, actually with better hooks than the KO punch, plus George landed several power jabs.

If Quarry had beaten the count the scoring would have been about even.

I think Quarry learned from the loss, as he certainly fought smarter vs Foster and Lyle.

 

quarrys fault not ref