Just watched Maidana May for the first time...had Maidana winning. Analysis included

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  1. zetsui

    zetsui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Takeway obsevations: ignore the oo's and the aa's, and the commentary and you will see that a lot of the EFFECTIVE/scoring punching was being blunted by both guys. Maidana would often see and move his guard intentionally to block May's punches or roll to the right (time and time again) when he couldn't. Robert Garcia's focus was shooting at Mayweather's body around the areas his forearm wasn't covering. I felt like this was not observed in the judging by two of the judges. This is also difficult to see effectively if you are not a boxer/judge who thinks analytically about what each fighter's gameplan is.

    I think May was trying to steal the judges. Moving forward and backwards, he had some slick short shots to the body on the inside. Floyd's rolling may have stopped a lot of those chopping overhand rights from being visually effective, but they landed cleanly. Maidana also rolling with a lot of May's overhand rights, sometimes seeming like May not landing (that's what you have ringside seats for as judges). Tony Weeks blocking the camera angles on some shots on the inside. May not countering as much because Maidana's shots landing cleanly. Mayweather had to commit to his defense.

    People saying Maidana won isn't just Hispanic bias.


    Money May-Maidana (in that order of scoring)
    1 9-10 maidana landed more, more effectivre punching, pushing him back

    2 10-9 Great round and can already see where the scoring discrepencies come from. Maidana landing some shots on the liver,and peripherary backing May up, but May throwing short shots on the inside nd in my opinion has the more effective punching with jabs to the body. Maidana blocking, counters May quickly.

    May's punch output and backing up not good though. Can possibly throw the ring generalship against him in scoring.

    3 9-10 very hard round to score. May had more effective punches but many were blocked, doudged or blunted by Maidana's own defense. I could give this round to Maidana for backing May up in straight lines and again May stops throwing alot.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2jlBr7tRo4&feature=youtu.be
    Maidana hitting BEHIND (scoring) Mayweather's elbow and hitting Mayweather's body. May counters and is blocked by Maidana's guard

    4 9-10 Again another tough round to score. May constantly being forced to back up. One lead left hook to Maidan's body and another counter doesn't make this a May around though, cut up too, although in retrospect from a clash of heads from May initiating a clinch (what was the official ruling on this?)

    5 9-10 HARD Maidana round. Maidana outjabbing the boxer at times and backing up effectively after leading with power shots. Sneaking in hooks to what is allowed on the peripherary

    6 9-10 Maidana blocking Floyd's straight rights, after Maidan's own overhands rights, with his right shoulder. Both guys hooking around each others guard, May standing with chin tucked, so the punches might be not look as effective. May landing on inside but being countered with Maidana's jabs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOplRHUG-yE&feature=youtu.be Maidana landing overhand right, effective scoring, but May's chin tucked. No 'oos 'aas but again scoring and probably deterring Floyd from throwing back

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFAgFmtp_OQ Again Maidana landing his right on May's body to the side, more inside of the body from the hips, but outside the forearm/elbow guard of Mayweather's Philly Shell. Hard to see in front of a camera or at the side of the ring, but a clean effective scoring blow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7phecRlxoV0 two shots the commentators yelled and crowd 'oo'd' at for landing, but were blocked by Maidana. Not scoring blows!

    7 10-9 May landing counters on the ropes, I don't score some of the shots Maidana's landing because of them being behind the head or blocked by Floyd's elbows.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy2j3Npy5RI&feature=youtu.be You tell me who had the more effective scoring blows in this exchange? Did you score Mayweather's final right, did it hit a scoring area or behind Maidana, or even hit Maidana's forearm? I didn't count Floyd's first punch in the combination because it was low.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y9qVa-yF4U

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbSciIn0O1Y&feature=youtu.be no double left hook. One block, one landed

    8 10-9 Look at the clip I attached. Lots of punches thrown by both guys, few landed effectively. I give the round to May for slightly more effective punching, but can see it go to Maidana as well HARD ROUND TO SCORE. Again Maidana backing Floyd up in straight lines, maybe even landing more punches.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxfAOqClQdo Again effective punching and scoring blows. Maidana's hook to May did not land effectively, was thrown lazy and turned into a pivot/control, one of May's punches below the line (not scored)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_yTSCo4fDw Lead left blocked by Maidana, who rolls with the right. Again not an effective scoring blow here

    9 May throwing hook right around Maidana's elbow to Maidan's liver
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJiWE-0fTRA double hook blocked by Maidana

    10 10-9 May more effective punches. Both guys lack a lot of effective punches and missing, May lands a few uppercuts.
    Maidana blocked the left hook and rolls/backs off off the right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3I2QWv0fJw&feature=youtu.be . May landed one out of three punches here to score.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G5AGsD7BgQ Mayweather misses the majority of the scoring blows in a combination (I had him with ONE scoring blow, possibly two if you count the right to the body at the end of the combination-which I didn't)

    Maidana lands behind the elbow on the body again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1wgQXToOrA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9jpW_CGOOA Maidana rollign with the overhand rights
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRFJzBJnpWw&feature=youtu.be Huge right for Maidana

    11 9-10 Another tough round to score. I feel like May landed more in the start of the round, but he started landing in non scoring places (ie kidney, back of Maidana) and these were not counted as scoring blows. Chino, landing flush with overhand rights. Chino chopping lefts to May's ribcage, one hand free, when Mayweather [tried to] initiate the clinch I scored this as effective punching as it was before Weeks told them to break.
    Lead right by May lands after the bell. Not scored.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VuVVr0x7ew Again May missing

    12 9-10 Floyd landed ONE scoring blow in the first thirty seconds of the round. Maidana landing on the liver region. May backing straight up in a hurry, and looking sloppy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK68Xy-CW04 Only person to EFFECTIVELY land in the exchange is Maidana. May has the first lead right blocked, and the second one misses. Completely opposite of whatever the commentator is seeing.

    Again very important to think about what was landing, and what a scoring blow is.

    113-116 Maidana


    Edit: For some reason people think I have some bias against Floyd. Not the case, if anything reading some of the post fight comments on Facebook I thought it was just a lot of Hispanic fans with bias for someone of their own heritage.

    The analysis is round by round (as I see it). The clips themselves were created AFTER my scoring as to what I saw as effective punching AND what I saw as a discrepancy between what the commentators and crowd saw and what was actually counting as SCORING shots.
     
  2. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    I could live with that analysis, Keep up the good work :good
     
  3. Don't Sleep

    Don't Sleep Personal Trainer Full Member

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    Repect your analysis, but I highly disagree. Maidana did nothing but rabbid punch, low blow, and get hit with clean effective shots. He hit him purposely 2 times on the thigh and numeorus punches to the back. He fought rugged and tried to rough Floyd up, but from the 7th round on it was all Floyd ... maybe the 12th could go either way. I honestly dont understand how anyone can say Marcos won the fight, but again my opinion.
     
  4. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Had Floyd winning by a pt or 2 felt he did more in the championship rds and landed the cleaner blows but I'm not up in arms if people,thought it could have went the other way
     
  5. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Easy, they hate Floyd
     
  6. zetsui

    zetsui Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Instead of spouting your opinoins, post a link like I did. A lot of the scoring blows the commentators were saying were scoring were hitting Maidana's arms/shoulders. I really want to see some graphic evidence. This is why I added the slo-mo to allow people to see what is actually scoring.
     
  7. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Your making it to complicated for them just tell them you hate. Floyd and they will go away ..:lol:
     
  8. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    zetsui - great work with the slo-mo :good

    Best analysis i have seen yet :bbb
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Im a big Mayweather fan but he was run close

    Round 6 I felt was a very close round that I wouldnt argue either way. Round 5 surprised me how Maidana was doing well with jabs. Round 11 was a very close round that I feel could be argued either way but went with Maidana. Round 12 was very close and I feel could have been seen either way

    Floyd/Maidana 0/0
    Round 1 Maidana 9/10
    Round 2 Mayweather 19/19
    Round 3 Maidana 28/29
    Round 4 Maidana 37/39
    Round 5 Maidana 46/49
    Round 6 Mayweather 56/58
    Round 7 Mayweather 66/67
    Round 8 Maidana 75/77
    Round 9 Mayweather 85/86
    Round 10 Mayweather 95/95
    Round 11 Maidana 104/105
    Round 12 Mayweather 114/114


    No problem how anyone saw the fight and I can see arguements for both.
    I scored a draw

    The judge who scored a draw scored the same as I did except for rounds 11 and 12 which he saw as 11 Mayweather, 12 Maidana
     
  10. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    Arguments can now be made that Calzaghe is greater than Mayweather imo :good
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    2 of my favourite fighters. Wouldnt want to get too involved in that one
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its never been in question :lol:
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Your analysis is scoring missed punches as long as you miss more punches than your opponent?!?!

    Cool story...
     
  14. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    In before *****s enter to do damage control.......oh too late :lol:
     
  15. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    His Respect.........Give it to him :smoke

    Top notch analysis :thumbsup