Just watched Mayweather v Castillo I (twice)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by fitzgeraldz, May 17, 2008.


  1. aliwasthegreatest

    aliwasthegreatest Well-Known Member Full Member

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    back when the fight happened i actually wanted JLC to win. I remember getting pissed off as Mayweather rallied back in the championship rounds as Castillo was taking the middle rounds. Castillo put on a great performance but Mayweather was just on the next level ya know?
     
  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am not going to argue the point. There is no way that Mayweather landed cleaner punches in this fight. He certainly didn't land more. I have seen the fight 6 times at least, at least 4 of which were on mute.
     
  3. gl26

    gl26 Active Member Full Member

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    Jlc Won It Was He's Night,and In The Secound Fight Pbf Won.but Very Close One
     
  4. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Your opinion had already been set on the fight after the first time ... Floyd did land the cleaner punches ... alot of Castillo's shots were getting caught on the glove or rolled off with the shoulder and turn of the head.

    Did I mention that no time in that fight was Floyd hurt?

    He did land more ... for 1/3 of the fight ... Floyd controlled the tempo with his jab and made Castillo more reluctant to come in with any bull****.

    Floyd proved that he had the fight won to me when he began to engage Castillo and fought on the inside ... he did what it took and rallied at the end ... and get the points in my opinion.

    When did Castillo have Floyd against the ropes and was attacking his rib cage? ... when did Castillo hurt Floyd? ... when did Castillo outbox FLoyd?

    His aggression although very good ... wasn't effective at all ... he didn't wear Floyd down with body shots and he didn't gain any points when he was throwing that bull****.

    YOu have to see what punches are landing ... what punches are effective ... thats how you score a fight ...

    You also have to see how Floyd used the ring to his advantage ... how Floyd never got cornered or pinned at one time and took severe punishment. He also had Castillo moving ... thats good ring generalship.
     
  5. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    WTF!?! I couldnt watch a whole fight mute, I gotta hear the crowd and the thudding noises of the punches, even the commentary. But to watch a PBF fight 4 times on mute?
     
  6. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    nope,castillo was the clear winner
     
  7. gambleer

    gambleer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dude, you don't know how to score fights. Mayweather clearly won the 4th round and you gave Mayweather rounds he didn't come close to winning.

    My scorecard :

    1-Mayweather 10-9
    2-Mayweather 10-9
    3-Mayweather 10-9
    4-Mayweather 10-9
    5-Castillo 10-9 (Castillo landed more and harder shots in this round)
    6-Castillo 10-9
    7-Castillo 10-9
    8-Even 9-9 (Castillo had 1 point deducted; close round but I thought Castillo landed the better shots)
    9-Castillo
    10-Even 9-9 (very close round. I gave this to Mayweather but he had a point deducted)
    11-Even 10-10 (extremely close round)
    12- Castillo 10-9 (clear round for Castillo. How the hell did Mayweather win this round ???)

    114-113 for Castillo. Very close fight with a lot of close rounds. Could have gone either way.

    Unless there is a new scoring method, DLH won that fight. And I thought Quartey and Sturm beat DLH.
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Do you understand the concept of boxing?

    You don't go by the crowd ... you don't have to hear thudding punches ... and you don't have to hear the commentary ... at times that can cloud you personal judgement.

    I can't watch a fight more than once on mute though ... but to watch a fight w/ no distractions and no sound ... enhances you decisions on what you see.

    You might not notice it but you may find yourself at times agreeing with the commentators ... even though they might be on some bull****.

    Just like when I watched the Mijares v Navarro fight ... they made it seem like Navarro was doing something effective ... rather than Mijares making the neccessary adjustments.

    or when I watched the Oscar v Forbes fight ... they were acting like Oscar was just dominating that fight ... when it was apparent that the fight really lacked action and was less than dramatic. And it wasn't a whitewash like the commentators suggested ... it was a closer fight than most expected but since it was Oscar they already had it figure out the outcome. Only way that Forbes couldve turned it around in their minds was to knock Oscar out ... not to box effectively, block, and counter.
     
  9. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The first time I watched the fight I scored it for Mayweather 6-5-1. Most people here know this from debates we had long ago. So if my opinion was set in strone after the first viewing, why did I change my opinion? And didn't you score the fight for Mayweather the first time? One of our opinions changed from 1st to 2nd viewing, one didn't. So who's opinion can we logically conclude was set in stone from the 1st viewing?

    I think its best Fitzgeraldz that if from now on, you don't tell people how their opinions were formed. Especially since you seem to have such a problem with people when they do it to you. I mean, it would be very easy for me to say that it's clear that your opinion was set before you even watched the fight, considering your well known bias for PBF. Of course, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and never actually said it.....you seem to be incapable of believing others have opinions not based on an agenda. You will no longer receive that benefit of the doubt, since this is the 3rd time you have told me how and why I came to a conclusion.

    As for your post? Subjective things and actually its the same thing you say about every Mayweather fight. Castillo was never hurt either. He could have been credited with a KD later in the fight as well. He landed more shots than Mayweather, harder ones too. Very clear and clean. Castillo won the fight IMO.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

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    Gambleer ... you must no know anything about boxing ... you score a fight with ... who's landing the cleaner shots ... defense ... effective aggressiveness and ring generalship.

    A judge that judges most of his fights off effective aggressiveness scored it 116-111 for Mayweather ...

    If you see past all of the bull**** in between and look for who's landing ... who's blocking ... who's using the ring to their advantage ... who looks outside their element ... who's tired - who's not ... who's making the neccessary adjustments.

    Its more than just who's landing the harder shots ...

    You don't know boxing ... i'm sure you look at boxing the same way Jim Lampley does.
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Do you credit Floyd with the effective body punches that were landed during the first half of the fight ...

    Did you add the fact that Floyd was beating Castillo to the punch ... did you add the fact that some of those punches that Castillo threw weren't effective ... did you add the fact that Floyd used the ring to his advantage and controlled the tempo of the fight all 12 rounds.

    Did you add the fact that Floyd was making Castillo miss more times that he got hit?

    Its not the same thing about Floyd ... its always something different.

    I didn't mean to dispute you decision or you way of thinking after watching the fight over ... my fault ... but from my point of view ... thats what I seen ... a clear cut victory - UD ... 115-111
     
  12. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    Seriously?

    Quite shocking, coming from you and all.
     
  13. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    i did this thread a year ago&the consensus view was castillo won,this should have a poll on it to settle it once&for all.
     
  14. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    Naw he had his hands full in the second fight too. I scored it a draw. But it was nothing more then a close UD for Floyd.
     
  15. 41fever

    41fever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Castillo clearly won. PBF was more marketable at the time, so you know, HBO and politics and CAPITALISM.

    JLC should of won.