just watched PAC - MAB and JMM - MAB

Marquez may have lost a little bit of his quickness, but how much is hard to guage just by observing his last few fights which have all come against fighters who have'nt been particularly aggressive and instead chose to fight Marquez while on the backfoot.

Since JMM can ill afford to turn in a lackluster performance against fighters chosing to fight survival fights, he's had to up his game and be more aggressive than what he's used to.
With that , comes taking more chances and leaving yourself open for countering opportunities.

Marquez' next fight is going to give us some answers on how much Marquez has slipped, because Juarez only chance to win is to be aggressive......we are going to see just how much quickness and sharpness JMM has mantained as he's almost certainly going to be in counterpunch mode vs Juarez.

I believe Marquez has slipped just a tad, but it is'nt enough to close the gap for it to be a difference maker in the schooling that that Marquez dished out to Pac after the initial KD's in the 1st round.

Like I said before, that was a total schooling from the 3rd round on, and I believe that Marquez would have to have slipped significantly for it to matter much in a rematch.

Fighters who have slipped significantly, also slip in their stamina.......in that Marquez has'nt shown any signs of slippage......therefore I can attribute JMM having eaten more punches lately having to do more with the aggressive way he's fought, more than his slipping in speed and quickness.




Dont be afraid Pac fans.......if JMM is to school Pac again, let it be......
I've said it before, a strong case can be made that JMM deserves to be unbeaten.
Thats certainly not something that Pac can claim!
.....and its the reason why this matchup should take place as soon as possible in early 2008!

 

Jaca was aggressive against Marquez, and Jandaeng wasn't exactly in survival overdrive. I don't think the way Marquez has been going about his business recently is strictly strategy based.

He could have made the Jaca fight more easier than he did, but he's lost a bit mobility and sharpness. Jaca was an aggressive southpaw like Pacman, even taller. The Marquez from 2004 would have dealt with Jaca more easily, and took far less leather.

Jaca fought so well against Marquez he got a deal with Golden Boy.

Not a case of Marquez having to go after his opponents recently and force the issue aggressively. Nonsense.

 

What the hell happened to you anyways? You are a better poster than you used to be, you actualy use logic now.. or is this a different Domingo?

 

Good post. The only problem in your analysis is that you are neglecting the improvements that happened to Pac after their fight. You are delusioning yourself if you think that Pacman didn't improve since their first fight. You have to wake up now and accept the fact that Pacman is better now. The schooling will be reversed now with JMM realizing that he is indeed old now.

 

You always cling to the technicality of that one judge scoring the 1st round 10-7 instead of 10-6.....but the reality is that it does'nt really matter.....
....just about every boxing writer that is not Filipino, scored the fight for JMM, and most did'nt give Pac more than 3 rounds.

Its that simple friend. The fight was close only because of the three knockdowns in the 1st round.....outside of the first two rounds, the fight was for all intent and purpose, uncompetitive!

JMM proved to be the better fighter over the long haul of that fight.
What Pac has got to prove now is that his improvement is significant enough to compete with JMM on a round by round basis.

I want to see the improvements that Pac has made against a master like JMM!
Thats when you know a fighter has improved!

You know as well as I that diehard Pac fans like yourself would prefer to assume that Pac has improved significantly but would rather him not put that improvement to the test against a fighter that has already mastered him.
What I'm saying is that Pac fans are afraid of JMM.
Pac is not afraid, its Freddie Roach and all the the diehard Pac fans!:yep

 

Like you said Robbi, Jaca was a tall southpaw.....more of a tough nut to crack.

Would you agree Robbi, that the Rocky Juarez fight who is more conventional should provide more of an answer as far as JMM's counterpunching sharpness.

I would expect Marquez to be razor sharp in his counterpunching mode vs Juarez.
If Marquez were to struggle against Juarez and fight more to Juarez' style in an overaggressive style, then I'd most probably be inclined to side with your assesment that Marquez is having to be aggressive out of neccesity out of having lost some of his counterpunching sharpness.

I say lets wait to see Marquez vs Juarez to better asses his decline as far as quickness, speed and sharpness is concerned!

 

Juarez may provide answers as to counterpunching, but none related to JMMs ability to keep up with a furious pace. The latter is what worries me moreso, because Pac will keep the heat up.

 

Yes. I look foward to seeing Marquez's skills against Jaurez. I hope he can deliver and win comfortably. I don't hide the fact I'm a Marquez fan, and think he happens to be techincally as sound as anyone in the game, along with Hopkins.

 

What fight was fought at a higher pace, JMM-Mab or the Pac-Mab rematch????

Exactly, JMM forced a faster pace than did Pac vs MAB!

You're questioning Marquez stamina, but he's never shown a lack of!:huh

 

Im not so much questioning his stamina, but his ability to counterpunch his way through 12 high activity rounds like he did a few years back against an improved Pac.

Pac will be on his game moreso than when he fought Barrera IMO.

 

Divac. How you you see a fight between Marquez and Barrera going at featherweight in their primes?

 

:good great post
Please accept that pac was improved.

 

The above is ******ed.

I'm Mexican and live around Mexicans, eat with Mexicans,talk with Mexicans, and watch boxing with Mexicans and ALL the Mexicans not most ALL thought JMM SCHOOLED Pac and that he will do the same in the rematch.

Homie, I'm from Los Angeles, in other words I'm from Northern Mexico so don't come trying state what my people say or believe because I can make up the same crappy lies as to how all Pinoys and Pinays including Pac's wife thought he was SCHOOLED by JMM. Btw you tell me who knows more Mexicans. You say most Mexicans you talk to? You very likely talk to one and probably knows NOTHING about boxing. Yousa fool!

 

didnt you say you werent mexican in that puerto rico vs mexico fighters debate we had a few months back?