just watched PAC - MAB and JMM - MAB

I'm not going to argue politics. Anyone that is old school here at ESB knows I'm an American with Mexican parents. When I say I'm Mexican everyone who knows me knows I mean "of Mexican descent".

 

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I've always felt that JMM was the best featherweight to come along since Azumah Nelson, and quite possibly even Salvador Sanchez.

At featherweight and in their primes, MAB would be the aggressor and JMM would be more than happy to be the sharp counterpuncher.

In a competitive fight of course, I see MAB getting countered silly.....
....down on the cards late, getting overly aggressive and getting stopped by JMM.


.....a fight with Morales would probably be a tad easier than MAB for a counterpunching master like Marquez.
I think Morales would probably have been easier to counter for Marquez in that Morales was clearly slower than MAB.

Morales was technically better than MAB imo, but he was slower and had slightly less stamina than MAB, so stylewise, Morales would be an easier night than MAB.
....but he beats both imo!

JMM is still great imo, but as a young man, he was an absolute marvel as a counterpuncher. Just beautiful to watch!

 

First off enough with this JMM the great counterpuncher therefore hes greater than MAB or possibly Salvador Sanchez, please...this is pure insult

When everything is said and done JMM will be top 200 ATG, while Mab, Erik, PAC..all three will be top 100 or even top 50 for PAC (again when his career is finished) And yes all time rankings speaks volumes..MAB and Erik wouldnt be there if it wasnt deserved...JMM is nowhere...nowhere near an Azumah..people can have their opinions on it but numbers dont lie

Another fact...PACs peak was at 122...anyone that followed PAC know this..he chased MAB, JMM and Erik for the money fights. There was no one left to fight at 122, he dismantled that division. The question everytime in 2002 was "will he chase the big money fights and he did"

Now at 130 PAC has carried his additional weight very well but this is not his prime peak just as RJJ's peak wasnt at175 but at 168. But being still considered a top fighter (meaning #1) at 130 and possibly moving to 135 speaks of PACs greatness because this is not his best fighting weight.

He is considerably slower at 126 - 130 and his power has diminished a little. All you have to do is watch his fights at 122 where he dismantled everyone and no one lasted the distance.

 

but his legacies were built on his stay at 126 and 130.. IMO, his record at these weighs outweigh his 122 and below legacies.

 

What you said has nothing to do with the price of cup of tea in china.

This is what I said

PAC best fighting weight was at 122. In other words this is the best PAC. So good that I can only think of Gomez as better and it will be a great matchup.

PAC fought bigger names at 126 especially 130 now and in the future...He will be more known for fighting Erik and MAB naturally...

If someone asks you bring the best fighter in their best weight ...you bring PAC 122 because that weight was when he was an absolute beast

 

Chimba, I never said JMM was better than Nelson or Sanchez, I said he was the best featherweight to come along since those two.

.....and when all is said and done, if JMM beats Manny Pac and has another win of two vs a top 130 pounder, say the winner of Soto-Guzman.....imo that JMM imo will surpass Morales, MAB and Pac in terms of all-time ranking!

A solid win over Pac to me proves that JMM was the best featherweight of his generation all along.
MAB and Morales may have been fighting eachother, but the better fighter was being avoided, thats what a solid victory over Manny Pacquiao will do for JMM!!!!:deal

 

on the otherhnd, a solid victory by pac over jmm could also make pac the best featheright since azumah and sanchez too, do you agree?

 

Absolutely agreed!:good

....and its the reason why this fight should happen as early as possible!
This scenario of who is the best should play out, and it can only do so if the fight happens soon!

 

wow! you're unbias! i thought you were a blind jmm nuthugger. good for you bro. :good be not like the others man.

 

the rounds were action packed, but not close.....jmm won that fight by a long shot...no way was barrera ever in it...he did enough to make it exciting, thats it....manny vs barrera 2 was a ****en fluke....

 

To sum it up briefly. JMM has been the most talented featherweight since Sanchez and Nelson, and the potential to become the greatest since those two?

 

I think Pac might beat JMM but I am not too sure.

Pac is just not hungry anymore, I mean how could he be more interested when he already beat the biggest names out there? THe only ones left now are a bunch of beltholders who acould hardly generate 100K PPV buys?

 

I have a theory on why supposedly JMM is "slipping". Just because he is opting to trade more does not mean he is slipping. JMM has been overlooked by alot of people in the past and that was before he was more of a technitian and did more boxing than trading. to alot of people that doesnt produce an exciting fight. I think he is trading more and at the same time of course being more vulnarable to build a fanbase as an exciting fighter. If he has out outbox someone he will but he is trying to be more exciting in my opinion. Its worked he is now more popular than he ever was even though he shows "flaws".

 

Bingo, I think thats a big part on why JMM is showing more vulnerability defensively. He's opened up his power offense more to have people take notice.

Unfortunately for exellent skilled boxers like Marquez, the other top guys dont want anything to do with a skilled guy like that, that does'nt show much if any vulnerabilities.
......look at Winky Wright most of his career....he's always struggled to land big fights, to this day, despite the fact the he totally schooled Felix Trinidad, beat Mosely twice, and fought very competitive with Taylor and Hopkins.....a fighter like DLH refuses to acknowleadge him as a possible opponent, even with Winky willing to fight him at any weight class.

....and the thing with Marquez, he's never been a Winky type to stall a fight fighting conservatively and defensively. Marquez has been a counterpuncher, but he's been one that counterpunches hard and with a passion to disect every mistake the aggressor brang to him.
Marquez has never been one to just do just enough to win a round.....
his missions have always been to dominate, and to shoot for the KO when the aggressor was vulnerable for it!

A complete boxer with a tremendous skillset, but yes, he's had to open up and brawl more than he may have wanted for others to take notice.

With Marquez in razor sharp counterpunch mode, you're likely to see a Calaghe domination of Lacy type fight.
.....opponents and even the fans would prefer to see more vulnerability and want to fight a fighter who's in a Gatti-Ward type of a fight.