just watched PAC - MAB and JMM - MAB

Not hungry?:huh :nut

If Pac cant get up for a fighter who completely schooled him from the 3rd round on and who Freddie Roach himself called better than MAB and Morales, then he cant get up for anybody!

Pac's mission is far from complete when you consider that before Pac even fought JMM, Freddie Roach did'nt want Pac matched with JMM and called JMM the better of the other two top featherweights, Morales and MAB!

How can the mission be complete, when he has not taken care of what you trainer said all along was the best of the other three??????

When JMM takes care of Manny Pac, it will have to do nothing about hunger and all to do about who the best fighter is!!!!:deal

 

Pac did indeed fight that way again in his next fight against Erik Morales which he lost.
.....and he did so again in the Morales rematch, where Morales fatigued and Pac took advantage.

I do believe Pac has improved some technically, but not by the leaps that alot of Pac fans would like to think.

If you're quite honest about it, with a more controlled approach, Pac has actually been less devestating with his punches that he's actually lost power by being less reckless.
......he has'nt been pushed enough to really know how improved he is.
My guess is that when push comes to shove and he starts tasting some real leather, he'll go right back to what comes natural and rely on his one two, feel with the right jab and hammer with the left.
....a made to order style for JMM!:yep

 

Thats a damn good analysis from someone who's looking at it from Pac's perspective!:good

The only thing I ask you is do you think Morales had declined from the first Pac fight to the rematch.
Morales has never been one who's speed was an asset, but he looked significantly slower in his rematch with Pac, just as he had looked in his fight with Raheem.
Morales was'nt technically able to compete with Raheem because Raheem boxed great against a slow fighter.
Against Pac, the rematch was competitive because technically, Morales was still superior to Pac.
Where it went wrong for Morales was that he could'nt sustain to box at a high pace for a full fight, and once fatigued, the easier thing to do is to slug when you get tagged hard to try and retaliate.

There are two things imo that lulled Morales to brawl with Pac....
1. Morales loves to brawl

2.Out of neccesity, because his stamina was diminishing and his legs were no longer as strong, the easiest thing was to brawl.

Even in the third fight where Morales got taken out early, he was so as playing the aggressor. He tasted a little hard leather from Pac, and his machismo led to playing toward Pac's hands.
Morales had no choice really, because his reflexes were diminished and he knew he was'nt going to have enough in the tank for the remainder.

I dont see the things that effected Morales effecting JMM.
Do you not think that JMM is faster and quicker than Morales?????

Has JMM shown any signs of tiring and losing steam in fights????

If you answer honestly that the answer is that JMM is significantly faster and quicker than Morales, and unlike Morales, JMM has shown no signs of slowing stamina or weakened legs!

.....that my friend is bad news for Pac, but good news to those who want to watch a great fight between JMM and Pac!:deal

 

Sorry but JMM could hardly interest the fans, let alone the fighter he is fighting.

Pac's hunger was seen when he demolished MAB (who was P4P #2 at that time). Pac's hunger was seen when he avenged his loss against Morales.

JMM? I don't think so, especially with JMM asking for a higher purse than Pac :rofl atsch

 

pac ud

 

Was'nt that you Patsys in the thread titled who wins Arguello vs MAB at 126 lbs.....and you answered Pac by KO???:rofl :rofl :rofl :nut

I think that speaks volumes on Patsys rationale!:yep

 

he answers everything that way. ask him who his father is and he'll say pac by ko

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl The excuses are being set!:rofl

 

All that is normal. When DLH was at is peak in 1994-1997 do you know how many commercials, appearences, golfing tournaments, and interviews he was doing? Tell me how many losses he has between those years?

 

You are pretty much trying to say JMM has no chance, its stupid, and can't think for himself.

There is a reason these guys are called master boxers. Marquez is not going to hope he misses, he is going to take the fight to his opponent, open up opportunities. find all open spots, and make the other guy miss. JMM is a smart tachtician. His baby is counterpunching, but of course he advances when the other guy doesn't come at him, he didn't get this far by waiting in every round his whole career. And besides that, his trainer is a better strategist than Roach.

 

If Marquez isn't past prime, he's at the tail end of his prime. He's shown some obvious signs of slipping in the last few fights, and honestly speaking I think he at his absolute prime was a better fighter than even MAB or EM, he never had the opponents to showcase his skill sets on at the highest level.

I thought he won the first fight with PAC, as he pretty much dominated that fight from the 3rd round on, dominated. It wasn't even close after that point, Pac landed a few shots, but JMM outworked Pac and made Pac look terrible.

Pac was lucky to get a draw IMHO. Yet, that was 3 years ago.

I'd pretty much have to pick Pac in the rematch at this point, but there's so many questions about both fighters at this point, that it's not the fight it would of been had it taken place in 2005.

Pac seems to have lost some fire, and Marquez has seemed to slow a notch.

The decline of Marquez almost mimics the decline we saw out of Castillo recently, hopefully I'm wrong, as I'm a fan of Marquez, but he seems to be fighting his body more than he used too, much like Castillo, like they want to do some things but their body doesn't react as quick.

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl