Just watched Pavlik vs Espino

Question on the 'late punch'. When I saw it in person, and even on the replay, I thought Espino was trying to give a 'nice job' glove bump but with the ref breaking them....... You were closer. How did it look to you?

 

Well Manny comments were actually pretty damn accurate. Taylor just simply has no Stamina, and to be totally honest...J. Taylor is the Most Stiff, Robotic Black fighter I have ever seen. So that argument has no validity.

As for Williams/Margarito....That was an easy-ass fight for Williams...He dominated Margarito for the first 7 rounds. Williams was "wet-behind-the-ears" in that fight and just didn't know how to finish him.

And on another note...Margarito said NO to a rematch to fight Golden Johnson??? Really....WOW!!!!

 

taylor beat hopkins twice and fought to a draw w/ a prime winky. stiff robotic fighters don't give hopkins that good of a fight twice regardless of who you feel won, and winky was a year removed from absolutely destroying tito. taylor was a very good middleweight...don't trivialize that b/c you don't like kelly. (oh, and please don't compare the winky that fought taylor to the winky that fought williams after coming off a loss at 170 and a 21 month layoff)

boxing matches are 12 rounds for a reason. margo was finding him. you say paul is wet behind the ears and i say that is just how he fights. all out, no regard for his defense really, just volume, pressure and stamina. not much has changes sinced he's moved up. you think he easily won the first seven rounds?? well here's rounds seven and eight...nothing easy about these rounds. margo is landing to the body and in the eigth round is landing the right hand. in fact, paul backs off when margo lands to the body. and in the eight round is catching him with right hands. kelly lands those right hands williams is in trouble. yes williams can move but he doesnt throw on the move, he sets his feet when he wants to make a point and flurry. that is the last place against kelly that you want to be...

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margarito is shorter, smaller, slower, and less powerful than kelly. paul williams is not fighting tall, not using his height, not staying out of range of the smaller guy, and not giving regard for defense at all, and has absolutley nothing on his jab. these are problems that even williams' biggest fans say he has and that he has not corrected. this is a big reason why some of williams' biggest fans on here, whom are very good posters, think he should get a new trainer. he fights like this against kelly, it won't last seven rounds. and with peterson stupidly saying that they are going "step in and check pavlik's china chin".....

i'm well aware of kelly's shortcomings. but i am curious to see how you respond to williams' obvious shortcomings that i just listed right under that video that are very apparent and will serve him no good whatsoever against kelly. williams is not hopkins. nobody is bernard hopkins.

 

I think Pavlik would beat Williams now. I said it before and I'm more certain than ever. Pavlik doesn't appear to be 'ruined' by his lay-off and Williams takes too many punches. After getting put on his arse and hurt against Martinez, I doubt he could take too many off Pavlik.

 

Now here is where we AGREE. I will never understand a 6'2 fighter with an a Far Superior Reach advantage that Doesn't FIGHT TALL. Williams should NEVER get hit, because with his reach advantage...he shouldn't even be that Close to his opponent.

Now, I believe that Williams has grown alot since the Margarito fight. And the only people that have landed against him since then are Leftys that can move.

Martinez was moving GREAT, bouncing around, landing crisp jabs...PAVLIK DOES NOT, CAN NOT AND WILL NEVER BE CALLED NOR BE MISTAKEN FOR A FIGHTER THAT CAN "MOVE".

IMO...I think Williams wins easy!!!

 

It was intentional. He was trying to get under Kelly's skin. He said he deviated from his gameplan and wanted to make it a war. hahaha

 

williams could be and should be laying people out in highlight reel fashion. when i watch him punch, i am amazed at a few things. one, i'm amazed how much he throws and how he can keep the rate up all fight. he is a helluva athlete and his stamina is above elite. i am also amazed at how many punches he misses. he has a terrible connect rate. even against margarito who is about as mobile as a sick turtle, he had an astonishingly low connect rate. i am also amazed at HOW he punches. rarely if ever does he actually use his lower body for leverage and rotate through a punch and punch through the target. that's not to say he doesnt punch hard. i'm not saying that at all. but like i said, he could be laying people out in brutal fashion (and you can check my posts i have never used that damn word to describe a ko... can't stand it). the leverage he should be able to generate w/ that height and that wingspan...tall lanky fighters have been some of the best ko artists in boxing history.

i also told you i am well aware of kelly's shortcomings. i have never and will never accuse him of being a dancer or one of great lateral movement. but if you don't care about distance control as williams doesnt, and dont care about defense as williams doesnt and don't fight tall as williams doesnt and dont have much on your jab as williams doesnt and you are willing to stand and trade as williams is....that's not good when you fight pav at mw. he can get away w/ fighting the way he did against margo at 147-154. fighting a mw w/ over an 80% ko ratio who can take a lickin and keep on tickin as vivek wallace said on the homepage...(also predicting an easy williams win)...that is not a good sign for williams.

kelly pavlik is far from invincible. we have seen that. i am not claiming he is the second coming in the mw division. but he has the tools to knock williams out. not only that, williams style leaves him vulnerable to big shots and to being knocked out by a big mw like kelly. that is not a knock on williams. that is just the way it is.

 

Very good post.

 

I didnt like the fight. They just stood still brekin each other apart.

 

You are claiming this fight was FIXED? :rofl

I see you did a quick edit before I got my reply posted.

Original that I was responding too:

I didnt like the fight. It was clearly a fixed fight designed in favor of Pavlik for his comeback. We all know Pavlik is more marketable than Espino.

 

I think it was fixed but I have no proof so I edited my post.

 

Oh good grief. I was at the fight. Espino took some damage and fought tougher than anyone expected him too. Kelly resorted to in fighting because Espino was determined to be on the inside. I have no idea why you would think it was fixed but I KNOW why you have no proof. It doesn't exist.

 

Espino kept finding his way inside because KP was rusty as hell, and did not look good in the first two rounds. After that he never did really even try to open up the distance.

KP fought two other guys mostly on the inside, and they were McKart and Zuniga. Against Espino, KP was throwing short over hand rights, and short left hooks, and then spinning uppercuts back underneath with both hands. I do not remember him doing that against Zuniga or McKart. Is this something new?

 

Im just disappointed why Espino just stood there in front of Pavlik when he knows he has no chance in the inside with Pavlik. It looks like he wanted to lose.

 

Simply cannot be since Kelly can only jab, jab with the left followed by a right, rinse, repeat. :rofl Notice there were SERIOUS body related consequences for taking the fight inside for Espino? :yep