Just watched some old KT tapes

Because Kostya Tszyu beat the snot out of them, and ruled the division, unifying it.

Without him doing that, those guys probably would have been beltholders at least.

Why do you think everyone at middleweight was no more than contender level when Hopkins was around? Because Hopkins beat them perhaps?

There's a reason an awful lot of 'name' fighters jumped the 140 class when KT was around. That's not to say anybody was 'ducking' or scared of him - but it's fair to say there were easier fights elsewhere.

 

Ill prove you just too Tszyu's stats you f8^6ing idiot that only keeps coming up with Tszyu's loss to Phillips and Hatton.

Tszyu beat these guys and these are there records and age leading up to fights.

4th Pro bout Juan LaPorte- Tszyu wins a UD against a guy that had only 3 fights earlier lost a close decision to Azumah Nelson. For a title mind you against Nelson in 1990 when Nelson was a beast. But Tszyu schools him better and yet you call this an average win. This was a former Champ and not an average one this was a guy that had close fights with Nelson, Chavez , Gomez and Pedroza.
Yes i know LaPorte was past his best years but could you see any prospects today fighting a guy like that in his 4th fight.

Instead of Cotto facing a 2-2 Martin Ramirez he had to fight 2001 version of Stevie Johnston, How do you see the fight playing out.

Should i go on about other fighters and the opposition and Tszyu's career.

Who else wants me to put these idiots to rest.

Toopretty you have been hating on Tszyu for ever but all you say is he never fought anyone elite. OK so define elite. Or all your other argument is that he lost to Phillips and Hatton.
So you dickhead fighters lose sometimes to guys they shouldnt that boxing.

Cotto lost to Margo got a beating in fact but you never here anyone bag Cotto, No all you here is that how maybe Margo cheated.

Did KT Make excuses losing to Hatton, no he took like a man and moved on. Cotto still bitching about Margo.

Do you want me to go on about other Tszyu opponents how about

6th Pro fight Sammy Fuentes finished off in the 1st round. Now this is a guy that would 3 years after getting beat badly by Tszyu would go on and win the WBO 140 title. Now call me stupid but that is pretty ****ing good opposition for your 6th fight as a pro. He also had fought and lost title fights before the Tszyu bout. Guys like JC Chavez, Frankie Randall, Roger Mayweather and Freddie Pendelton.

Fuentes was in his Prime when this fight happened and got schooled by Tszyu.
Fuentes wasnt the greatest Champ at 140 but he was still a champ that defended at least once.

Now lets take a look at the greatest Champ at 140 all time you stupid *******s out there.

Aaron Pryor fought a bout against Jose Resto a guy that had yes you guessed it 62 losses.

At the same time in there careers between Tszyu and Pryor, The Hawk had faced 2 guys that hadnt been in the Ring, one guy that had more losses than Tszyu and Pryor had Pro wins put together and another guy that after getting beat by Pryor only went on to win 2 more times in his career.

Tszyu at the same time had already beaten a Former World Champ in LaPorte a future World Champ in Fuentes and he beat the 140 champ of the Australian Title in Jones.

Name me another fighter apart from say maybe Jeff Fenech that even comes close to that.

Name one.

Dont get me started on Tszyu's other huge fights 10th, 11th , 12th and 14th Pro Fights are against pretty good opponents. Not elite guys but no chumps considering other fighters dont have there first title fight until there 25th or so bout.

Tszyu won the title in his 14th.

Look some might say im a boxrec guru or a stat guru. But hey the best athletes dont win because the other teams or players are not elite.

The best teams or athletes win because the stats will tell you the story. Like Tiger does his stats lie. Does Rocky Marciano's stats lie.

Do the best defensive teams win the superbowls. Of Course they do. You can say this and that about Boxrec but it doesnt lie.

It doesnt lie about form or age of fighters or the opposition leading up to the fight. How many title fights at home or away they have had.

Toopretty stop hating and get with the program mate Tszyu was solid and was solid enough to unify the division for the first time ever. He was solid enough to win as many title fights on foriegn soil as Pacman and Lennox. But these stats to you are **** because Tszyu was avoided or didnt fight great opposition. Its boxing sometimes fighters get the big payday, sometimes they win by KO, sometimes the lose but i never hate on a guy like Tszyu because what they bought to the viewer or you the fan was value for money. my case in point is this.

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I also wanted to add to toopretty that i have done enough research on this subject about Tszyu's opposition and am willing to do more to the point on every other 140 fighter.

I think Sandman said it best. B-Hop and Tszyu ruled there division's very well and so good that the others were left as bystanders.

 

Some of the dumbest **** I've read in a long time.

 

All these Zoo haters on ESB and in this thread clearly just have NO IDEA. I bet most of them have never even watched a proper Tszyu fight in their lives. Anyone who followed his career knew he only wanted to fight the best and only ever wanted the big fights (e.g. Hatton in his backyard, something PBF has openly said was suicide given the corruption). Not his fault guys like Mosley, Gatti, DLH at the time didn't want it/or went for better risk/reward options. Having said that the guys he beat to unify the division were CLEARLY the best 140lbs'ers at the time.

I issued my challenge before and as I expected all I hear is the sound of crickets in the background. . . . Name ANY OTHER fighter who has a record who is even remotely comparable to KT's in his first 15 or so fights. With the recent trend of promoters choosing to protect upcoming fighters and develop "padded" records, KT's path to the world title has been anything BUT.

Also please name another fighter (IN HISTORY) who has a combined opponent win-loss record that comes close to Zoo's. I challenge anyone who can come up with anything close.

 

So basically...lol b/c he started his career fighting top level fighters that were past their best and he became champ early and defended his title and unified against fighters that were not ever on the top level of the sport and not one other semi great fighter. That ***** as formula dont work in boxing. You cant fight tough fringe contenders and unify titles against beatable fighters like Sharmba and Judah. You can ONLY put up records in your defense. He fought a bunch of fighters with padded records period. And half of the guys he beat were ALREADY beaten first by other fighters who did equal to what he did. You are a bunch of side ways talking dick riding groupies from down under. You can say he fought tougher fights as an up and comer but by no ****ing means were any of those guys at their peak nor at the top of their game. Like I said previously half of the guys you are hailing on his resume were already beaten by other fighters coming up.

 

So your saying that even though LaPorte just lost a close decision to Azumah Nelson prior to fighting Tszyu he was way past his best.



GIVE ME A ****ING BREAK YOU CLOWN.


ALL I CAN SAY IS HATER HATER HATER HATER HATER HATER well you get my point.

You have nothing no research, no video evidence of watching Tszyu fights, nothing but pure garbage and you still come in here and post.

Im sick of guys like you hating on a World Champ that made our sport better.

Hey did you toopretty that Tszyu lost to Phillips and Hatton so that makes him overated.

Hey guys did you know that Tszyu lost to a crackhead like Phillips and Hatton.

7 more threads and 100 posts later hey guys Tszyu is No good cos he lost to chumps like Phillips and Hatton.

Oh my god get a fu?king clue.

Sorry for the language lately Scar but there are some real haters on this site.

 

So basically you are bigging up Juan Laporte and Fuentes who were both coming off of losses before Tyszu fought them...... Lets put this **** back into perspective as you have a selective thought process. You brag about his title reign. But each and every fighter he fought was a top level contender at best or a brief title holder(no *****, not b/c he beat them).

If any other fighter had a the same resume they would catch ****. If ODH had this kind of resume(which he defeated half those guys prior to Tszyu fighting them) and they are not even mentioned when ODH name comes up. He BEATEN these guys prior to Tszyu on the come up and they are names you forget on his resume. If you are touting Tszyu beating ODH's leftovers then have the audacity to say some cornball **** like "he beat them better than ODH" thats when you know you are just hyping up bull****.

 

I will not even argue who he lost to. You can X them mofos out right now. We can just talk about his comp and who he beat. If you are touting tough fringe level contenders that were beaten at the top level prior to Tszyu and everybody else was ducking Tszyu at 140...like ODH :rofl. Yeah he could really make the weight huh. But he steps up and takes bigger better fighters who would and have run through any fighter on Tsyu's resume.

 

Too Pretty, you're so full of **** it spills onto the floor.

You still haven't given a top 10 140 Jnr Welter list - Is that because Tszyu is undeniably top 3?

 

Translation: I just got owned by the facts of the matter. And I'm a smelly twat.

Twat.

 

So by hyping up bull**** you mean that by Tszyu giving Gonzalez a beat down and ODh winning a nice wide decision. Yes i hyped that win but its the same as saying you ********.

Look what Manny did to Hatton compared to PBF.

If a fighter dominates another fighter in the ring better than the other guy doesnt every fan stand up and take notice.

Please look what Pac did to Dela Hoya compared to everyone else and he had a huge jump in weight.

According to you its not what fashion you beat a contender down or the fact you fight 15 title fights off home soil.

All that matters to you is that he never faced ODH or Mosley or PBF.

And all im saying to you is you **** is that you think Tszyu didnt want those fights before he retired.

Mate he would have jumped at the chance. This is all im adding because you only know big name fighters you see names like LaPorte and Roger Mayweather and Hurtado, guys like Judah and Tackie, Urkal and you think they are just c level fighters when most of these guys if not all would ****ing own the 140 division today.

How many fans out there on this board reading this post right now.

What sort of odds would you give a Prime Hurtado against say Malginaggi.
What about Prime Judah against Bradley.
What about Roger Mayweather against say Torres.
What sort of odds on Miguel Gonzalez against Kendall Holt.
Even Tackie, Bergan,Urkal and Mitchell would wipe the floor against guys at 140 with names like NDou, Rees, Laszcano

I tell you to give me research and you still havnt. You think Tszyu's opponents were past it well check out some of Hattons.

Tszyu who he could when he could wherever. And he put huge beatdowns on most he faced home or away.

This will be the last post until you come up with anything better.

Not just because he had **** opponents which i believe the 140 didvision was great compared these days. Most belt holders today would get whooped by half of Tszyu's opposition.

 

Its a historically shitty division that most fighters just pass by. I would say fighters like Tszyu and Pryor are probably the only ones to STAY at 140. Tszyu unified b/c he FOUGHT HIS WHOLE CAREER AT 140. Meanwhile other fighters eventually moved up in weight and took on better opponents. You whores are the one polishing a shiny shittle.