Just watched Williams-Martinez - What a fight and a close 1

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by PowerPuncher, Dec 6, 2009.


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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Allot of the typical post fight ESB bitching but lets tip our caps off to both men, a great fight between the 2 best 154lbers in the world. Loads of action, great counter punching from Martinez, great pressure from Williams, Paul also adapting well after the 3rd.

    On the other hand I think its a really hard fight to score, Williams outlanded Martinez in nearly all the rounds, Martinez landed cleaner crisper shots for the main part although in some rounds Williams landed cleaner crisper rounds of his own. Not many rounds were clear either way and it comes down to preference for allot of them

    I'd love to see a rematch but want to see Williams scalp Pavlik and Martinez get a big win to make it a bigger fight. Martinez is world class and I've thought he was world class since he beat Richard Williams (another williams :lol:) in '03.
     
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  2. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    I personallly still think Pavlik scalps Williams ..But last nights fight could of been a draw at wrost but I had Martinez winning a close one ..I can't wait for the rematch ...I hope to see the same type of fire works ..
     
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  3. AbbeyFN

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    I can see legit bitching regarding the 119 scorecard! That was BS.

    It was a hard fight to score. I had Martinez up by 2 rounds but I could see it going the other way. 114-114 and 115-113 were legit scores IMO. The third judge should be banned.

    Fighting at 160 is totally different. I would like to see Williams v. Pavlik. Williams is faster but Kelly has a great chin and a better punch than Martinez. If Pavlik connects he wins by KO. If Williams moves and stays away from the power punches he will win by UD.
     
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  4. hewito

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    yes but c'mon........119 for williams?????,.......no freaking way!!!
     
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  5. TonyPeri

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    I think Williams boxes Pavlick's ears off.
     
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  6. TonyPeri

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    Martinez boxes Pavlick's ears off too.
     
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  7. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    this fight doesnt really tell me **** about pavlik vs williams...

    pavlik & martinez dont share **** in common

    and except for the kd in the first round... which pavlik would be incapable of doing because he doesnt really counter punch... i havent seen pw dazed (between rounds 1-8.. havent seen the last 4 yet)
     
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  8. TonyPeri

    TonyPeri Active Member Full Member

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    The rematch between Williams and
    Martinez should be at 154. What
    difference do u guys think it makes
    in the fight?
     
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  9. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not much. Neither of them have a history of missing the weight.
     
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  10. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    The card was disgrace to the sport BUT it Wasnt Williams fault was it though, unless he personally bribed the judge, probably Goosen telling the judges who was paying their wages

    I think it could be 8-4 either way to be honest but I side with Williams as I see him having more clear rounds. Even in the rounds where Williams head was snapping back on multiple occasions he landed more, but they werent as damaging.

    As for Pavlik, he isnt half the boxer Martinez is skill wise but yes he probably hits harder and hes bigger. Agreed Williams should UD him
     
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  11. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Go back and watch round 2 again.
     
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  12. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    Neither Williams nor Martinez have the Defensive ability that you need to beat a guy like Pavlik... they both lose to him, against Pavlik you can't take shots and both Williams and Martinez are lacking in the defense department
     
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  13. USboxer1981

    USboxer1981 The Real Def. MVP Full Member

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    you are the least objective person on this, just be quiet ... your bias opinion means nothing
     
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  14. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    he didnt get rocked... he got punched hard as **** and his head jerked all the way back but i wasnt worried about him at any point as far as being dizzy and potentially ko'd in that round
     
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  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not a whole lot.

    I had Martinez winning by a round, but this was NOT a robbery.

    I knew it was going to be competitive.

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187711

    In the rematch, anything could happen.

    Maybe it should happen in Buenos Aires with three Argentinian judges.:yep
     
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