Just when we thought we were out, Khan files an "official protest"

Imagine Wlad getting penalized for his holding/leaning. It would be beautiful. And it'd make heavyweight boxing more interesting. Not going to happen in Germany unfortunately, which is where you're coming from, but it doesn't mean we should criticize people for doing things right.

 

Well if that fights anything to go buy it'll prevent spoiling and force weak infighters to either expand a lot of energy staying on the outside, or encourage them to man up on the inside.

Win win.

 

:deal


As for Amir Khan. If he really feels the need to push his opponent away during fights he needs to learn to do it in a far more subtle way. The times he got points deducted were two of the most blatant illegal pushes I've seen in a long time. One with the forearm shoved Peterson half way back across the ring; the other with both hands cuffed round Peterson's head forcing him back, and then he clearly punched after the break was called.

 

But do you think this ref in this case, if the tables were turned and Peterson was doing all the pushing, would this same ref deducted points off him too?

That's where I think the matter lies, I guess in the end no one can answer that one.

Was it a case of good ref'ing or hometown bias.?

We will never know.

 

Totally agree T, It's about consistency we ask for it in football with ref's but i think in boxing it's even worse. Ref's are being dictated to by promoters/fighters and when a ref does ref properly he gets stick for it.

Peterson was at one point pushed from one side to otherside of advertising logo when he had earned his right to fight on inside. Cooper was class IMO.

 

Aye. If he was a little more skilled defensively up close he could defend himself and push his opponent away up close with his upper arm inside. Or better yet he could just learn how to not use so much energy running around the ring and use more efficient movement to maintain distance.

 

I agree.

It's difficult to compare the pushing that the likes of Mayweather, Hopkins, and the like use to the pushing that Khan utilised against Peterson. Guys who are adept at it don't do it exclusively to force their opponent off of them, often it's used to manuver the man into a position that gives them a greater advantage at close range, Mayweather's useage of a slight nudge followed up by usually a right hand in particular is effective. It's not even really pushing, it's almost cloaked leaning in a way.

What Khan did was blatant and obvious shoving that was extremely frequent and added to that easy to detect, which made Cooper's decision all the more easy. I mean, he was putting both gloves around Peterson's head and forcefully shoving him backwards to avoid close quarter contact, a lot of the time he was physically bent over such was the extent of the force he exerted. If he had've even attempted to be somewhat subtle about it his cause would've been helped greatly.

 

Maybe, and I think thats where GBP are coming from with their complaints. 'People never get punished for this' etc. So they're calling it hometown bias. I can't answer whether it was bias in the sense Cooper would never usually penalize for that except in this instance. But its sort of irrelevant really, if you commit a foul and get warned for it and then punished I don't really see how they have a leg to stand on.

The issue for the IBF is simply that by the rules Cooper implemented them correctly, and I for one can't stand to give him stick for that. If everybody did it in every fight the quality of fighting would improve. Each individual ref doing it is better than none doing it.

 

If anybody can direct me to some instances of 'dangerous' use of the head by Peterson as well I'd be glad to see it. Can't say I particularly noticed anything untoward during the fight that would be worthy of such complaints. Sure I saw him come in low tactically on occasions but nothing particularly vicious.

 

I agree.

I think this just know a case now of GBP knowing they ****ed up and now doing anything to gain some sort of anvantage with out making Peterson a great deal, which they will have to in the end.


Choosing to fight in Washington, having Joe Copper as they ref, and Khan and Roach taking Peterson lightly in my view was all mistakes they got to learn from now.

Khan needs to focus in the gym and Roach needs to teach him some new tricks otherwise Peterson will cause lots of problems again if they get the rematch.

 

I actually saw instances of Khan using the head and the forearm, As you say i saw none from Peterson.

 

Peterson clearly stated in his boxing radio interview that Khan has a habit of pushing and it was something they had identified when watching his videos. I'm pretty sure a quite word was placed into the DC refs ear to watch out for it. And nothing illegal about that. Its just that when you (Khan) have an unconcious habit of pushing off, that you have never been called on in nearly 30 fights , there is no way you can break that habit during a fight. The peterson team knew that and used it to their advantage IMO.

Another thing that isn't mentioned is Petersons habit of taking his head below waist height to avoid getting hit. That gives him a big advantage in avoiding shots on the way in and also outside..also the rising head into Khans mouth is dangerous and definately affected Khan. This kind of thing is not usually called by refs but it should have been if the ref is going to go by the book.

When Khan exaggerated his pushes he was looking at the ref and complaining about petersons head. This was stupid on his part because it was clear the ref did not give a **** about that so he should have just got on with it and not kept complaining.

 

Just as a disclaimer, this post is not a plug for a Cristian Mijares fight, it's relevant because Joe Cooper was the referee in his masterful performance against Topo Rosas.

Now, because of the blend of styles in this fight, with Mijares being an excellent fighter with almost all bases covered and Rosas being a relatively clean but relentless pressure fighter, obviously violations of the rules happened here with far less regularity and as a result at no point is there any real danger of a points deduction for either man as for the most part they duke it out fairly or Mijares outclasses his countryman from distance. However, it is important to note that whenever there are any infractions committed that Cooper is very consistent in giving stern warnings.

He was very clear with the warnings his gave, be they visual ones where he pulled the fighter aside and told them to cease whatever the infringement may have been, or be it a caution where he shouted during the action in order to prevent the fighter from commencing with the illegal action(as he did many times with Khan before pulling him aside).

Off the top of my head I can remember Rosas being told quite forcefully not to push his head into Mijares'(may have been the 3rd), Mijares being chastened for locking his arm into Topo's to prevent him from getting anything going on the inside, I vividly remember the 6th because after Mijares pushed Rosas down into the ropes Cooper ran across the ring like a moron and knocked Diamante over into the corner before proceeding to lament him, amongst others I'm very sure, when - and it is when in this case - I watch it again I'd be able to give a better description.

My point is, a southpaw facing an orthodox guy who's advancing, there's bound to be tangling of limbs now and again, in which case he seperated them and advised both to keep it clean, but when there was absolutely blatant fouling Cooper was very firm in his cautions and as a result such fouls halted. If Cooper was that stern for what were first offences, I'm sure if they continued to happen he would've most definitely deducted points, like he did in the Khan fight, where Amir fouled blatantly with great consistency. From watching him referee I get the impression that he's merely stringent and clumsy rather than biased and incompetant.

 

^^ who the **** is this ****,stop talking bollocks,that goes for darni as well.
pushing is a foul, blatant pushing is a blatant foul.

on sat night/sunday morning did you see froch pushing ward off at all,or ward pushing froch off at all,:thinkno,even though people say froch is a basic boxer and khan is the master(bater)boxer,froch has the better boxing brain,nuch better.:smooch
on a another note,the thoepane fight the other week,the other fellow was on him like a rash,with the head arms shoulders,what did ashley do,push him all night:think,no,he soaked it up,moved away and stopped him in the later rounds :deal