Just when you thought Wilder can't get any more delusional

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  1. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I am trying to think of another example of one fighter (Fury) completely taking the mental and physical soul of another fighter (Wilder)
    Fury has completely destroyed his mental state. This guy is beyond delusional at this point. He really ought to think about seeking therapy. If they fight again Fury will knock Wilder spark out in 3 rounds tops. Wilder has lost it and he never really had it to begin with as his whole career was one of coddling and extremely careful matchmaking to try and hide all his flaws.
     
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  2. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Funny seeing that classified as delusion when this board literally invents results that didn't happen for whatever fights they want i.e ggg beat canelo twice, Mayweather lost to jlc and maidana, lewis never really beat Vitali, etc
     
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  3. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Twenty seconds elapsed between the time Fury hit the floor until the referee told them to continue boxing. You can watch the counter ticking down on every broadcast that showed the fight.

    After Fury barely beat the count and then put his hands on the referee's shoulders, the ref told him to walk around to prove to the ref he was okay.

    If the referee didn't KNOW Fury was okay, he is not supposed to give him another eight or 10 seconds to recover.

    If he's not ready to go after the ref reaches 10, it's over.

    You don't count until the guy IS READY to continue. You don't have him walk around until he's ready to continue. It wasn't a foul. It was a knockdown.

    You've got to the count of 10, then the fight either continues or it doesn't.

    Wave them together after wiping off the gloves or stop it.

    If the referee had been:
    * Arthur Mercante (who refereed Foreman-Frazier I and didn't give Frazier 20 seconds to walk around and recover each time he got knocked down)
    * Zack Clayton (who refereed Ali-Foreman and stopped it at eight with Foreman standing right in front of him - if he told Foreman to go for a walk the round would've ended)
    * Octavio Meyran (who refereed Tyson-Douglas and stopped the fight at 10 with Tyson standing right in front of him)
    * Jose Garcia (who referee Lewis-McCall I and stopped the fight at about the count of six with Lewis standing in front of him)

    Or any of the countless referees in boxing history who actually followed the rules and didn't give someone 20 seconds to recover after a knockdown, Wilder would've won. He had the wrong ref.

    A referee has until the count of 10 to make a judgement and he couldn't make it, so he took 20 seconds. That's bad refereeing.

    Watch the end of Ali-Foreman, watch the knockdown in round 12 of Wilder-Fury, and tell me how long Foreman had and how long Fury had.

    Because, by my count, one guy had eight seconds to get up and did and the fight was still stopped. One guy had 20 seconds to recover and it wasn't.

    Or count how long Frazier had to recover each time he got dropped by Foreman. Or count how long Lewis had to recover after getting dropped by McCall.

    None of them got 20 seconds. Many of them didn't even get 10.
     
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  4. panchman69

    panchman69 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He fell in love with his right hand. Never fall in love with your hand.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Yoda said that, too.
     
  6. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    and you reward him with buzz
     
  7. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You gave some shocking examples there.
     
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  8. ShovelHook

    ShovelHook Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lol he was up at 9 seconds you moron. The ref did everything right.
     
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  9. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Must say, Fury did damn well in those final two minutes considering he was unconscious...
     
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  10. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Agreed. The little walk here walk there was also something I can’t remember when I saw it last. That being said Wilder is still completely delusional.
     
  11. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    The ref told both camps prior to the fight what he would do in the event of a knockdown - including the walk test - and as far as I'm aware neither the Fury or Wilder camp raised any objections.

    I'll accept this is atypical but he was clear with everyone that's what he was going to do...
     
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  12. Boomstick

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    I’m still rather amazed that Fury got up from that. I’m also amazed he shook it off and somehow went to work on Wilder.

    It’s one of those things that changed the landscape of boxing. What might have been had he not done so? Or if Reiss had counted faster. Or waved it off. It was a snap judgement that allowed him not to, and it was the right call. I don’t think it was a slow count. It’s a ref’s count, not a stopwatch ticking 10 seconds.
     
  13. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder just needs to shut the **** up and fight some good opponents.. I really want to see him continue fighting top guys (by that I mean he fought Fury). Would love to see Wilder - Parker/Whyte/Ruiz/Joyce/Usyk... All fights that are very exciting, come on give us the fights!!

    As to Fury being knocked out, the fact that Fury actually managed to gain his senses after the KD and proceed to batter Wilder shows it was a very good call from the ref. All that matters is that at the ten count Fury was good to go... That's all that should matter regardless, even if it were a long ten count. Some refs stop fights way too early, and it's quite obvious they're not doing it solely to protect the fighter, but because someone's slipped them some extra dollar.
     
  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree, it's not a stopwatch. But after he made his count, wave them together or stop it.

    Clearly, he wasn't sure if Fury could continue. You don't ask the guy to go take a walk to prove it to you because you're giving him twice as much time to recover.

    The whole course of heavyweight history would be different if fighters got twice the amount of time to recover from a knockdown.

    Foreman wouldn't have been KOed by Ali in eight (the ref stopped it before he even got to 10 and George walked back to his corner anyway).

    Lewis may not have lost to McCall if he got another 14 seconds to right himself.

    Hell, Patterson may not have lost to Ingemar at all if he got 20 seconds to recover from each knockdown. With a 20 second break each time he hit the floor, the third round would've been over WAY BEFORE they ever got to seven knockdowns.

    If the ref in Wilder-Fury I had waived it off, we'd have had one of the most dramatic KOs in heavyweight history.

    Instead, we got a draw.
     
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  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He wasn't "good to go" when the referee got the 10 count because the fight didn't begin again at that point.

    The referee had him go take a walk and clear his head a little more.

    I agree, he recovered quickly. But George Foreman walked back to his corner just fine after the referee waived the Ali fight off. He didn't get 20 seconds. The round would've ended as the referee was telling George to go take a walk.

    That was a bad call by the ref in Wilder-Fury.

    Everyone knocked down is clear headed again if given enough time.
     
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