I'm Not Making This Thread As A complaint but to only see this fight from a different persepctive.... in an adult manner i would like to see someone try to define & justify how carl froch won.... techincally & round by round .... how did he pull off the victory?
bc he landed two meaningful shots? One left hook and a running right? and rabbit punches and gets nail dead in the face lots of times? Froch also managed to lose the round that dirrell got a point taken away by getting rocked.
My reasoning for picking Dirrell (posted this in another thread)... I love the attitude toward Dirrell on here and the general level of bias that is being shown tonight by Froch's fanbase. I came into this fight cheering for Froch, wanting him to win, because honestly, I dislike fighters who squander their talent because of ego or what have you...and up to this point with Dirrell, he has done just that. Yes, he had won and looked spectacular at times, but he has also been known to take rounds off and generally fight down to his opponent. Froch on the other hand, has been all class. Carl on the opposite spectrum has been the epitome of hard work and dedication. So my bias layed in his corner going in... That said, this is boxing guys, not a street fight, I think many of you are missing the point. A fight is scored on 4 criteria, Clean Punching, Effective Aggression, Defense and Ring Generalship...with the emphasis on Clean Punching. Take that into account of your scores and there is no way in holy hell Froch won 7 rounds. Impossible. Did he land even more than a handful of clean punches? Barely if the answer is yes. And for all of Andre's "running" and holding, he landed way more and his shots were clearly cleaner and even more damaging. Was he aggressive? Yes, but he was continuously countered cleanly while using that aggression, that in no way can be considered effective under any definition of the word. Did he display the greater defense? Come on now? Even Carl's unbelievably hot girlfriend will tell you no. And Ring Generalship? Be serious, round in and round out, whose fight were they fighting? Who was effectively applying their gameplan? If a fighter is constantly chasing his opponent as many of you keep saying (at times I agreed), by the sheer meaning of the word, he is not dictating the pace, nor the real estate in which the fight is fought. Froch did not win 7 rounds...and you dont deduct points for "running" anyway, especially when the runner is outlanding, outworking and outboxing the "attacker". Tonight, Dirrell proved he not only belonged, but he proved myself and many out there completely wrong. He should be the WBC champ right now...but because the fight was not on neutral ground, alas he is not. The bias tho by many of Froch's fans is out of line...I am a Froch fan myself and he did not deserve that win...not even close. :good
You cant justify it in any way. I cant recall him landing any real quality shots. When he threw combos Dirrell slipped every shot and would usually counter. Dirrell clearly outboxed him and even hurt him in the fight. The point deduction was embarrsing yet Froch was allowed to rabbit punch all night ?
Funny thing about the rabbit punching is, the excuse they are using is that Dirrell was holding and fouling too...yet Dirrell was justifiably punished for said fouls, yet somehow his fouling (holding and running which in reality only one can be considered a fould) made it okay for Froch to do it. The bias toward Carl on this site is out of control tonight. AND I WAS CHEERING FOR FROCH!!!
technically is beside the point WWM I thought Dirrell won the fight but we all know it is very unlikely that you are going to get that decision in someone elses home town. Its not like Dirrell had to do that much more either, just throw a few more combo's or counters a round and I think he would have made it clear he was beating Froch's ass. Froch sucks Dirrell is very tallented but he isn't a fighter, thats why he lost tonight.
i would just like someone in here to clarify how carl froch winning is possible.... in my eyes the fight was some where in the range of 10-2 to 8-4 but i mean like i said... i could be bugging... i wish someone could justify froch winning so atleast i could understand what other people were seeing in this fihg
Thats because you are a FAN not a Nuthugger. You root for your man but at the same time believe what your eyes see. If you feel your fighter lost, then you are man enough to admit it, rather then making dumb excuses such as "He ran the whole fight" ect.
Thats rubbish. Whats the purpose of trying to justify a clearly dubious decision, and act as though its the fighters fault. In no way is that productive. He lost because winning 9 or so rounds wasn't enough to overcome the judges.
Watched it twice...first time 9-3, second time (I love TIVO) I went in looking for rounds to give Froch to somehow justify it...I could not find them. I scored it 8-4 being VERY generous. No idea how he came out with more rounds won then clean punches landed.
Becuase as ugly as that **** was I can understand the judges forgeting any activity Dirrell might have done while he was holding and Froch was hitting him in the back of the head. What I'm saying is that was a total **** show and I don't feel for Dirrell at all, the opportunity was there and he didn't take it. He lacks a competitive spirit and I'm affraid it will let him down in the future dispite his great tallent. Besides, what the hell are you gonna take out of that mess you witnessed tonight and make it productive?
thats my point.... i had it 10-2 or 9 - 3 on my first viewing which i don't need to see it again to judge.... the only swing rounds were rounds 1 & 2... and maybe one round in the middle of the fight... the rest of the fight was clearly dirrells fight... i cant see it being any other way
I will always be a bigger fan of this sport than any fighter. In my time on this site, I have shown to be about as unbiased as one person can (we all have our moments). The older posters and regulars will attest to that. Unfortunately, that sport has again let me down. Its a sad reality in the sport nowadays that all important fights should be on neutral ground (be it soil or sites). That was a robbery tonight and the fact that noone has responded with any concrete, technical reasoning behind giving Froch the fight lends credance to that. Like I said, I was cheering for Froch to win (I mean, honestly, who wants to see his hot GF cry again? That broke my heart last time...:hey...), but it was clear he didnt.
i actually thought dirrell won the fight by a very slim margin but maybe the judges were swayed in that froch was the aggressor while dirrell did alot of running and counterpunching. one thing's for sure, dirrell landed the more telling punches in the fight. the mexican judge who gave it to dirrell obviously liked the more clearer punches while the other two judges liked froch's aggressive style. this by no means was a robbery as it was a very close fight and it could have gone either way.