Justifying Martinez above Donaire p4p.

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    In the last 3 years Paul Williams has had 3 fights at Middleweight. Paul Williams has had 3 fights at light middleweight in the same time frame.


    Please tell me what your point is ******? :lol: Paul Williams has fought as many times at middleweight as Sergio Martinez. :patsch
    Beat the reigning Middleweight champion Sergio Martinez. Beaten an faded ATG in Winky Wright. Please tell me, other then Kelly Pavlik one fighter at middleweight thats accomplished a m
    Before Pavlik lost to Martinez, he was undefeated at middleweight coming off 2 KO's.


    Tell me what fighter at middleweight has beaten 2 fighters in the league of Espino and Rubio?
     
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  2. purephase

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    No feel free to let me know. Williams would have defeated every middleweight beltholder in the division aside from Martinez, and I'd give Dzinziruk a good chance against all of them except maybe Sturm.

    Congrats, Moreno doesn't have the same punching power as Donaire, and the judges still couldn't take the decisions from him in Germany. This is actually quite an accomplishment in light of the gifts Sydorenko received against Cordoba and Agbeko.
    :lol::rofl:patsch

    He fought at the middleweight limit when handing Wright the most decisive loss of his career. Martinez claims he can still make 154 (he's simply defending the belts at 160) and Williams weighed the exact same thing on fight night against Lara as Martinez did against Dzinziruk.
     
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  3. ApatheticLeader

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    You put more stock in p4p in this discussion, despite the fact that it proves nothing about how good any given fighter when they are fighting outside their weight class?


    Proof of your ******ation. Even in your own post, you acknowledge that there was no proven reason why Williams was considered to be one of the best at 160. You also acknowledge that Dzinziruk has done nothing at middle.

    Your post, it was a load of nothing, and even you know it.

    Fact.
     
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  4. ApatheticLeader

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    Name one belt-holder that is outside the top 10 in his division? And did Williams make 154, yes or no? So Williams beat an old and VERY inactive Winky Wright - whoop-de-doo.

    Also, what's in bold couldn't be more irrelevant.

    Once again, when Martinez makes 154, then you can claim he's a 154 fighter. Until then, STFU.
     
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  5. ChrisKim47

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    Donaire's bouts have been against the top opposition. He was ROLLING cats like Darchinyan, Maldonado, Mthlane, and Montiel (who previously crushed Hasegawa)

    Its a pretty impressive resume and lots of KO wins.
     
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  6. ApatheticLeader

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    The point is the lowest weight class you can make is the one you belong at. Let's give you Pavlik as a top win - I'm doing it out of courtesy so you don't feel suicidal. Still doesn't bring Martinez close to Donaire, who in the last 3 years has beaten:
    3 fighters that are champs now (i.e - improving fighters on the way up)

    1 long time champ who was still near the top of his weight class,

    1 fighter who held two belts at the time Donaire crushed him.

    1 fighter who has won an eliminator.
     
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  7. purephase

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    Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
    Yes and he looked absolutely terrible going back there and rehydrated 16 pounds. I imagine he'll be back at 160 for his next fight.

    It's only as relevant as your claim that Donaire beating Sydorenko is somehow a super-impressive victory because Moreno couldn't knock him out.
     
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  8. MichiganWarrior

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    Williams has as many fights in the last 3 years as he does at light middleweight.

    Again you're a moron.


    [quote[ you acknowledge that there was no proven reason why Williams was considered to be one of the best at 160. You also acknowledge that Dzinziruk has done nothing at middle.[/quote]
    Pavlik was the man at 160. He had never lost there. Williams would be considered number 2 since noone at the weight has ever beaten fighters on the caliber of Wright or Martinez.


    Please stop saying fact. There is literally no way you could be even more ***gity.
     
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  9. MichiganWarrior

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    P4P is better then holding a paper belt. Want me to start a poll ******?


    Sergiy and Pavlik were champions.


    Holy **** an eliminator? Do tell? :lol:
     
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  10. bballchump11

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    Williams was ranked higher than Montiel was when they beat them
     
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  11. ApatheticLeader

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    Williams looked terrible because he is predictable, Lara is technically excellent and his prolonged bad defense in many, many fights, nothing to do with dropping weight.

    And I didn't say that Sidorenko was a super-impressive victory. His fights with Moreno WERE very close (I've actually seen them, you haven't. Pretend that you have and I will test you with questions that you can't find the answer to on Google). I said that he was a top fighter in his division (he was) and that Donaire destroyed him (he did). Has any other fighter won every round against him and/or (you get a choice here....) knocked him out? No. Fact. So it was an excellent win, yes?

    As for JCC Jr, he's in the top 10 of the Ring rankings and Universal rankings, which makes him a top 10 fighter. Whether you think he is or not is irrelevant, but just for fun, go ahead and name your top 10 at middleweight.
     
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  12. ApatheticLeader

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    Ranked higher due to what he did at a different weight class, I believe. In any case, it's an absolute travesty if it's actually true.
     
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  13. ApatheticLeader

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    This is becoming circular, you bring nothing new or worthwhile to the table. **** off out of this thread, men are talking.

    If you make the poll, it will only confirm what I already know: Generally speaking, boxing fans are stupid.
     
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  14. ApatheticLeader

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    Williams would be number 2 based on one fight with someone who had never fought at middleweight and was barely top 5 at 154? Gotta love how some people do their rankings.

    If the fight was a snorefest, you wouldn't have ranked them the way you did. Think about that.
     
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  15. MichiganWarrior

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    Nope. You're just a ******.

    So you actually believe holding a belt is better then being in the top 10 P4P. Meaning instead of holding one of 4 belts in the division, you are considered a top 10 fighter in the world.


    Seriously lucy? :rofl
     
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