K2 and the contracts offered to various fighters......

yep he wants no career high payday but his retirement pension like Haye or Valuev. such things have nothing to do with slave contracts since these guys dont even think about actually winning the fight.

 

The odds are entirely relevant. Only people who are bad at maths or who get suckered by dodgy statistics think otherwise.

If it is never going to happen, then what is the point of bitching about it?

So, I ask you again. What do you think the odds are of Chisora beating Wlad twice?

 

Rushman is methodically ruining the British sand castles.
Well done, man. I followed your wiki links and found a lot of interesting material there and along the cross-links to digest over time.

 

Finally SNV is vindicated!

 

People shouldn't excuse this. I know the usual response is "they would have a career high payday" but it doesn't make the deal fair. Plenty of guys who challenge for a title are given their career high payday but it's still a fair deal. I don't know of ANY fighters who have been associated with low balling so often and what about these three fight deals? Has there ever been a more unfair deal? Specifically, I have never, ever heard of a more unfair deal in all of boxing, than the one David Haye actually accepted.

The people defending them: Can you name any boxer who low balled so many fighters? And can you give specific examples of more unfair, biased deals than the ones we know the Klitschko's have offered?

When the Klitschko's talk about having every title in the family, maybe this is why? Maybe they want to create a monopoly on the division where they can dictate how much a fighter earns, if they want a shot. They know that if a fighter wants to be a world champion, they have to go through both Klitschko's or Haye, so if they get Haye out of the equation, they can offer guys awful money and, if they want a title shot, they have to accept. They can insist on poor money and a four fight deal, where both brothers must be fought twice and what can the opponent say? Nothing.

 

So please, I ask a third time. What is your estimation of the odds for Chisora beating Wlad twice?

It's an easy question.

BTW, I estimate Hayes chances of being closer to 1 in 200. Slightly less than 10% per fight.

 

Let me put it this way: get a MANDATORY shot and you'll get "fair money".

 

Even that didn't make Povetkin step in the ring with Wlad.... However, that guy is still on BoxingFan's "evidence" listatsch

 

Firstly I have no idea why Chisora was told to keep quiet about the terms of his contract. My understanding is that it is usually a condition of contracts that you can't make the terms public.
However, this rule seems to be breachable in ways that I don't understand. For example, the Klit's said that they offered Haye 50-50 and no options. Can they disclose that because it is not a contract yet? Or why can they disclose this yet Haye can't disclose what he says the real contract is?

Phrasing it like "He was told to keep it quiet" makes it seem sinister - like there is something to hide. But if that is the usual understanding for contracts, then it is a total non-issue.
Given how little we know about boxing contracts, I assume that it is the norm for non-disclosure to be a condition. I suspect that Chisora may have even technically breached his contract already. But as I said, I don't really get how the non-disclosure conditions work.

Ok... back to the 1000 to 1 odds for Chisora to win against Wlad twice.

The pros of his deal:

1) he gets an undeserved fight for the title
2) he gets at least 10 times more for the fight than he would have against his normal opponents, all unearned and undeserving
3) he gets a meteoric rise in credibility, meaning his 16th, 17th, 18th fight etc will have substantial increases in dollar value. All unearned and undeserving.

The cons:

1) there is a 1 in 1000 chance that he will have to have two rematches, instead of one.

Let's see how seriously we should be taking those odds, shall we?

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So I guess that people bitching about this clause also spend a lot of time worrying about how they will certainly die from having a shower?

Perspective, context, call it what you want. The fact is that Chisora is going to fight Wlad, get beaten, get paid much more than he deserves, and will continue to them earn more than he would otherwise have done.

Whining about a clause that will not happen? That's descended into more than being silly.

 

Well, we know that is true. Haye has managed to grab a belt and made himself out as one of the higher ranked fighters. So his contract offer changes dramatically for the better.
That's common sense.

But apparently people who have done nothing to earn an opportunity deserve everything handed to them on a silver platter?