K2 Brothers vs The Brown Bomber

Yeah, the fact that Wlad had vastly better footwork, hand speed, coordination,...things like that...than guys like Simon and B. Baer wouldn't have meant anything. It's not like his athleticism would have made a difference in him making the best of his physical advantages over Louis.

Same goes for guys like Tyson. I mean, sure, he was a thousand times more athletic than a guy like Galento, or just about any other Louis opponent, but why would that ever come into play in a Tyson-Louis matchup?

The average Joe Louis title challenger probably works out to be a mediocre, white Cruiserweight. The best? 14-loss Cruiserweight JJW, maybe? Where did Louis face the combination of size, speed, power, and accuracy that Wlad would have brought? Are we really not seeing a difference between Wlad and the typical Louis opponent?

 

Who's to say Golovkin doesn't beat Louis?

 

Well, me for one.

I don't know. I find an era where the vast majority of title challengers are White, whether because of the color line or just a lack of Black participation, to be kind of suspect. Throw in the fact that many were under 200 lbs, then it REALLY starts looking suspect.

Until the Eastern Europeans came around, there weren't too many dominant white Heavyweight Champions in some of the more diverse eras for whatever reason. There were long stretches where White American Heavyweights who were worth a crap were few and far between. Then at one point in the 2000s or 2010s, fighters from former Soviet countries came and completely took over, holding all 4 belts simultaneously. Kind of funny how that worked. I'm assuming their amateur programs being better than our's had something to do with that?

 

That message wasn’t for you or aimed at you. It was just a thought. I’m just here to discuss boxing not to tease anybody.

 

Fair enough. We'll never know what Louis-Wlad would have looked like, and I've seen good points made on both sides. Makes for an interesting debate and I appreciate the responses even if I disagree. Apologies for the sarcasm.

 

Apology accepted, thank you. I think either can win and it’s an even fight but I think Joe Louis for me as I tend to favour his mobility and offensive options catching Wladmir Klitschko blind at some stage. I want you to know I consider Wladmir Klitschko in the same tier of fighter and favour him over most he was a great champion.

 

Louis could be hit with right hands and I can just imagine 240 pound plus Wladimir hitting him with right hands it wouldn't be a pretty sight.

Honestly I think Louis would fair better against Vitali who isn't a big puncher, and has a more awkward style not anywhere near as good technically as his brother.

But what I will say is that Wladimir has lost to a few unremarkable opponents like Purrity, Brewster, and his chin is very suspect.

And Vitali lost to Byrd who is of similar size to Louis and doesn't hit anywhere near as hard plus Vitali never beat an elite opponent.

So I will say Louis has a chance against both brothers but its still a bit unfair. You're talking about the Super Heavyweight era vs Cruiserweight/Heavyweight era it's not really fair. That's why I don't like comparing really old Heavyweights to modern Heavyweights the size difference is like 40 or 50 pounds and considerable disadvantages in height and reach.

 

Conn was only 7lb heavier than GGG on fight night and as we all know on Classic, weight doesn't count and neither do styles. Do I really need to go through all the champions Golovkin beat? OMG Louis could be in trouble for this one!

 

Conn was an extremely lean 174 lbs in the first Louis fight. He could wear +10 lbs at least and still be lean, he simply chose not to. He was 182 lbs in the rematch and it didn't help him.
Conn had proven himself against HW contenders before fighting Louis, knocking out a no.3 and no.2 contender.
He is one of the fastest men to compete at heavyweight in history, had a tremendous chin, stamina and confidence.
What he lacked in size and power he made up for in pretty much every other metric.
Louis was the only man to knock him out and he did it twice.
A victory over prime Billy Conn would be one of, if not the best win on any fighter's record, let alone two ko wins over him.
It's certainly better than anything on Dempsey's, Tunney's, Marciano's and Patterson's record.

 

Didn't Louis also drain himself to like 195 so that the public could get on board with the Conn fight? Surely that will effect your chin.

 

Top black contenders like Roscoe Toles and Walcott who Louis knocked out, or the black LHW champ who was beating up heavyweights who Louis proceeded to also ko in one round?
The only no.1 ranked contender who Louis could face in his era was Walcott, and Louis knocked him out in his retirement fight.
There was no black fighter around who would have beaten Louis and no black fighter that Louis had to be "protected" from.
He defeated Jimmy Bivins later on and knocked out Elmer Ray in a so called exhibition fight.
You keep perpetuating a myth that has long been debunked.

 

He weighed 199 lbs but he dehydrated himself to get there, and this was his 7th fight in 7 months. There is no HW champ who has a comparable frequency of defending their title.

 

Awesome! 174lb is Golovkin's fight night weight too. OMG Louis will be in big trouble because GGG has so many more knockouts than Conn, as well as being a champion for so long. This is terrible for Joe!