Kabayel V Big George Foreman

The point was to debunk your claim Foreman never stopped someone early who had a chin as good as Kabayel, you idiot.

 

A claim I didn't even make. Go quote that supposed claim and apologize when you can't find it.

 

Is this you?

You were adamant Kabayel would be too tough for Foreman to stop early. You are essentially claiming Kabayel had a better chin than anyone Foreman faced no matter how you slice it. Ergo, you are claiming Foreman never stopped someone with a chin as good as Kabayel's.

Your problem is you bark and yell a good game, then try to slither away when someone asks you to stand on what you're claiming. You're not only a dishonest troll, you're a coward.

 

I am "essentially" not claiming that. Now look up the definition of "tough" and sit your uppity ass down.

 

Kabeyel would not get past the third round against Big George

 

Some of you think Foreman hits harder than Zhang? Really? Giving Foreman all credit humanly possible, let’s say they’re on par in terms of power.

I think a lot comes down to the ref and where they fight. Zhang was trying to push and bully, but the ref wouldn’t let him. Foreman, fighting in Texas or Vegas? The ref is going to let him get away with it. Which gives options Zhang didn’t have. Y’all remember the **** refs would let comeback Foreman get away with? Shoving, these two-elbow bull charge things he’d do, kidney shots, etc.

i tend to think young Foreman is too aggressive and too good of a finisher to be beaten by Kabayel. Comeback Foreman? He may well be in plenty of trouble, although the cross guard would help him here.

 

I think the opposite, and I'll pick my words carefully here, for the tape, y'understand. A fighter like Kabayel could conciveably beat a young Foreman. High workrate, decent chin, throws to head and body. Young George was wild and could gas, it's not just the manipulated Ali fight that gives credence to that. Now, here is the kicker, Young George could conceivably beat a fighter like Kabayel. I don't think he'd spark him but he might stop him. But this scenario happens by midrounds or he might be toast...

Old Geroge is too defensively prudent and manged his gas like a hypermiler in comparison. He perhaps threw less punches, but they were all meaningful, like the guy who only says something when it's worth saying. I think this George could beat Kabayel, and is more likely to than his younger self, styles and imagination making fights and all....

 

The Old George scenario isn't realistic. He never beat a guy who was as big, strong, and good as Kabayel (all three in one fighter). I'd expect Kabayel to practically murder guys like Morrison, Stewart, and Savarese.

 

At this point, Kabeyel would be knocked out.

There are no arguments for Kabeyel whatsoever.

Let him compete against a young, hungry puncher like Dubois and then we'll have a clearer picture

 

Good to see someone post something sensible

 

So would I. Well, I'd like to have seen him v Tommy. But I'd not expect him to beat Big George. I think Old George manges that essential space better, and you know he's going twelve hard...do we know Kabayel can do that yet...against a fighter who uses his weight tactically, offensively and defensively? It's all opinions man, i get that. 2 years from now we might be asking if anyone can beat Kabayel

 

We kind of do. Kabayel went twelve with Chisora who was as big as Foreman but had a higher work rate and was more aggressive. And Kabayel has likely improved since then.

Kabayel also has a chance of getting a tko over George.

 

I would liked to have seen Fury vs Foreman.

 

It depends what you mean.

Watch Foreman's KO's of Frazier and Norton. Watch how far back he swings his arms before throwing the punches and observe how much leverage he gets into those punches.

Not all will agree with me, but I suspect if the c.280lbs Zhang punched with as much leverage onto a static target, his punches would exert more force than Foreman's.

However, in practical application, Zhang typically doesn't throw punches with anything like as much leverage as a prime Formean. Given his broader shoulders, longer arms, slower hands and feet, his opponents would see any punches he threw with that amount of leverage, coming a mile off. Which is why Zhang's punches are typically substantially shorter, relative to his frame, than those Foreman KO'd Frazier and Norton with.

In essence, Zhang has a lot more mass, but a prime Foreman typically put a greater proportion of his mass, at a greater velocity, into his punches.