Kalule v. Kalambay The real story

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  1. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Out of curiosity, how do you score the Rose Castillo fight?
     
  2. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That was the round where kalambay slipped and almost fell through the ropes.The ref didn't give a count.

    Whoever did the report has probably just made a mistake.It wasn't a situation like Graham's debatable knockdown of mccallum, where the ref did give the count for what looked like a slip.
     
  3. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i thought that other than few notably big rounds for Castillo, Rose generally had a slight but clear enough edge and finished stronger over the last 3-4 rounds.
     
  4. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    I'll take your word for it mate. It does call the fight 'gruelling' and suggests Kalule "struggled" but seem to favour him because of his "stronger punches" that 'knockdown' possibly made all the difference to their report.


    Tyson's on the cover of the issue too. I think it was his first major boxing mag cover.
     
  5. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks
     
  6. Doc McCoy

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    I'm intrigued by some of the comments here and so will watch & score this one in the coming days and offer my own take.
     
  7. Doc McCoy

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    Ok so I watched this one today and it is a good, fast-paced fight.

    Couple of observations : Kalule had good success with the straight left and also appeared to be the harder puncher of the two. Sumbu fought mostly on the back-foot with good movement and was effective on the counter.

    This one is a bit difficult to score given both guys were down a number of times. The first KD Rd5 was more of a push from Sumbu & Kalule stumbled over but it was from a punch so legit. Rd6 and Sumbu goes through the ropes but ref doesn't count it - on the replay it was from a punch to the shoulder by Kalule but Sumbu slipped backwards - I don't think it was a legit KD. Rd11 legit KD by Sumbu. Last RD KD was more Sumbu falling over from the momentum of missing his shot on Kalule and even though he was counted on it I don't think it was a legit KD.

    My scoring was 114-115 in favour of. . . . . . . Kalule! I think he did enough to win the fight, he punched harder and landed more often. The knockdowns counted against him in the scoring but this was a very close fight so SD to Kalule seems very fair IMO.

    I think if Sumbu worked the jab more often he could have won this bout but Kalule's style had him a bit confused at times.
     
  8. Mantequilla

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    Fair enough card doc.

    I'm surprised you thought kalule appeared the harder puncher though, as he was hurt several times throughout the bout.kalambay never seemed bothered by anything he took.

    Incidentally i thought it was kalambay's better jabbing that differentiated them in a lot of the closer rounds.

    I hope Bull posts his thoughts or card, as i think he's the only other person with the fight.
     
  9. Raging B(_)LL

    Raging B(_)LL KAPOW!!! Full Member

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    Mantequilla,

    You asked me to chime in with my own thoughts on this fight so here I am, but just like I thought you pretty much hit the nail on the head on what my own thoughts are on this fight so there really isn`t much for me to say. I felt Kalambay did the better work throughout and landed the more meaningful as in hurtful punches on Kalule all night whereas Sumbu wasn`t bothered by anything Ayub threw in his direction.

    As for my scorecard of this fight I don`t know if I still have it or not, I`ll have to check, but I seem to remember giving it to Kalambay by about three points at the end. Very entertaining fight this was between two underrated technicians, I should watch it again this weekend as its been over a year since I last seen it.
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mr. Woller has done the big favour of sending me this fight and it was a very good bout indeed - I'm sure that's one thing we can all agree on. Thanks again mate :good

    First I'll give my card on the fight:

    113-113 - A Draw
    Kalule winning rounds 1,2,4,6,8,10 and 12.
    Kalambay winning rounds 3,5 (ten-eight round),7,9 and 11 (ten-eight round).

    It was a very close fight as I saw it, definitely no domination throughout by either fighter, and it was pretty stylistically similar the whole way through: Kalambay moving and jabbing, Kalule trying to slip the jab and get in with lead lefts.

    I think Kalambay was hampered with how small the ring was. He seemed to be getting himself tangled up or running into the ropes in an unconfortable fashion on quite a few occasions, and he was probably lucky not to be called on knockdowns on a couple of rounds, especially round 2 where he seemed to fall into the ropes and almost sit on them after a Kalule punch and also the 6th, where what looked like a grazing punch to the shoulder forced him off balance (together with their feet tangling), and made him get tangled up in the ropes. If he had a bigger ring I think he would have been able to operate with his stick and move style much more effectively.

    Another thing that cost him on the cards of two judges so big was the fact that he would react so ostensibly whenever Kalule hit him. As he was on the retreat and so keen to avoid punches (as hit and don't get hit fighters often are), even when Kalule merely touched him Kalambay would be pulling back and it looked like it was solely due to the force of Kalule's punches that he was moving back so evidently. As such, Kalule's blows looked like they were having more effect than what they probably were.

    I thought Kalambay did control the fight at times with his good jab, but he was a little reluctant to put out anything other than a jab, and allowed Kalule to take rounds through the use of more power punches. If Kalambay let his right hand go more he would have had more success imo.

    Regarding the 12th round, I didn't count the knockdown. I didn't think Kalule landed a punch that knocked him down. If I was simply following protocol, that would have given Kalule the fight by a point on my card, but I don't think a scoring punch put him down, so in the interests of TRUTH, it's a 10-9 round.:good