Kalule vs Finnegan & Seales

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  1. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    Is there any known footage available of Kalule's fights with Kev Finnegan and/or Ray Seales? If so, has anyone on here seen them? I've been going through a little bit of a Kalule phase for the past two or three days having not watched him for a bit (and subsequently having forgotten what an excellent fighter he was, even the weight-drained version who showed up against Leonard, Moore and McCallum). Finnegan and Seales were probably two of his more notable scalps pre-title.

    Anybody got anything on them?
     
  2. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haven't seen it, but apparently he handled Finnegan quite a bit more convincingly than Hagler was able to. In fact the Finnegan fights were supposed to have been among Hagler's toughest in his early career.
     
  3. Tin_Ribs

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    It wouldn't surprise me entirely were it true that Kalule had an easier time with Finnegan than Hagler did, perhaps mainly because of the styles thing. I think that Kev was let down against Marv because of his fragile skin and lack of power. They reckon that he gave Hagler minor fits in just about every other area, with Hagler himself praising Finnegan for his skill and durability.

    You got any dirt on the Seales fight Bujia? Ray looks to gave been on a pretty good run from the Harris and Minter fights before Kalule came along.
     
  4. bennie

    bennie Active Member Full Member

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    Kalule-Finnegan fight was a world class boxing contest, a purist's dream. Finnegan, recently described by Mickey Duff as "gifted", really knew how to handle southpaws but Kalule was was already the uncrowned light-middleweight champion of the world and proved a bit too good.
     
  5. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    6 rounds of the fight was shown on danish TV (I saw it). Unfortunatly it was way before my taperecorder days. Finnegan had one good round landing a heayvy righthand, but the rest of the time Kalule was the better man.
    I have not seen the Seales fight.

    Woller
     
  6. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I saw both fights, and the one against Seales was a bit more competitive than his fight with Finnegan - though not as close as the majority decision would seem to indicate.
     
  7. Tin_Ribs

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    Thanks gentlemen. Kalule was an accomplished fighter and an excellent champion. Would anyone say that he handled Finnegan better than Minter and/or Hagler did? His style was quite well suited to handling skillful boxers.
     
  8. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A question to those of you who have followed Kalule's career...Had he slowed down by the time he fought Ray Leonard? Or is the Leonard win a real quality victory over a very good fighter? Thanks.
     
  9. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Slowed a notch i would say, but the main thing was Leonard's own talent and fighting the right kind of fight to take advantage of Kalule's weaknesses.Kalule is like Locche or Maxim in that he just isn't a fighter who will ask questions of you physically ie roughhousing, using his weight on the inside etc.. you will either be skillful enough to beat him or you won't.Even someone as feeble as say Cotto would probably do okay physically moving up and fighting him, though he would be thoroughly outmatched technically.

    Moore and McCallum is where his legs and most snap/sharpness/timing had gone, though still a solid fighter who could make good moves.Moore was countered as heavily as he was against Duran, there was just nothing on the punches.
     
  10. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mogens Palle, Kalule's Danish manager, used to say, "I have to saw off a leg in order for him to make 154." Logically, he should never have been battling the scales, he should have gone full steam ahead at middleweight. Earlier in his career he was the Commonwealth middleweight champ, had beaten Seales, Finnegan, Love and Robles and was doing very well. But perhaps Palle saw an easier road to a title at 154 and had him suffer to make weight. I personally would have loved to seen him in the mix with Hagler, Sibson, Minter, Parker, Davison, Hamsho, etc. The Leonard win was still good for Ray, but against a drained fighter. Note when Kalule came back at 160 after a hiatus, how strong he was. Watch his blast out of Jimmy Price on youtube. His wins over future champs Kalambay and Lindell Holmes are also noteworthy. I just don't think he ever realized his full potential.

    Scartissue
     
  11. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Kalule's lack of punching power would hold him back against some of the rougher and tougher middleweights of the time. I think he was probably better pre-title reign than after winning the title. He cleaned out the division of various former and future title holders, but was avoided for years. He was the kind of a fighter who should have been contending for a title inside his first 20 pro bouts, not after 30.

    Finnegan was a bit inconsistent. I'm surprised that he lost to Charlie Weir the way he did.
     
  12. Tin_Ribs

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    I agree to an extent, though I thought he looked quite a bit slower and drained against Leonard than anytime previous during his title reign. Still, he did well in that fight and gave Ray plenty to handle before his drained physique and Leonard's ruthlessness won out. I think an argument could have been made for him being allowed to fight on as I seem to remember the round being virtually over at the time of the stoppage. Still a top win for Leonard though.

    I thought he looked closer to being dead on his feet than not against Moore and McCallum, though he did manage, as you say, to counter Moore quite frequently without really having the vroom in his shots to make it count. He wasn't the biggest puncher at any rate.

    Good post.
     
  13. Tin_Ribs

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    Yep. Agree with the bolded bits especially. Finnegan could be quite frustrating - he seemed to coast a bit at times and let fights get away from him, not something he had the luxury of being able to do what with his lack of A grade power and tendency to cut up.

    Like scartissue said, making 154 eventually got to Kalule after he won the title.
     
  14. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Finnegan was a lazy Starling-esque fighter without great physical ability and also cutprone; but tough as nails, cute and strong fundamentally.

    He just went through the motions against Weir.Not getting the decision in any of the even fights against Minter, losing on cuts twice to Hagler and then on points to Kalule must have been demoralising for someone who only a few years previously had been on the verge of a shot against Monzon before he broke his jaw in a non-title fight.
     
  15. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seemed like he just gave up there but he showed his toughness by decisioning Sibson and Tonna afterwards.