Kambosos can’t be WBC champ

Yes he certainly does. Not my words, just listen to Kambosos and his father who call Haney the WBC champion.

Not once has Kambosos called himself the WBC champion.

Haney could beat Kambosos and the WBC are under no obligation to designate him as franchise champion as there own rules say the franchise title cannot be won.

 

So to be undisputed he needs to beat Haney and Davis in your opinion?

 

Your argument doesn't make any sense. The WBA, WBO, and IBF don't determine who the WBC primary champion is, they have no say outside of their own bodies. The WBC recognize Kambosos as the man. Every major organization recognizes Kambosos as the man. Again, the WBA, WBO, and IBF can't determine who the WBC champion is. Only the WBC can.

 

aye because the real champ was emailed his belt

 

Not Davis as the WBA super title is won and lost in the ring.

The WBC franchise title is not. As I said before why did Lopez have to petition to be named the franchise champion after he beat Lomo? Why was that?

 

Why not Davis? He's listed as a WBA world champion?

Also you say its won and lost in the ring, that's not true at all. Linares was the regular WBA champion and then when the fight against Lomachenko was announced it was declared that the winner would be upgraded to WBA Super Champion.

But if you are claiming Haney prevents Kambosos from being undisputed then surely Davis does as well.

 

So neither linares or lomo were declared super champion. Someone still had to win the fight for the new vacant title.

Does the WBA declare the Super champion as a winner of a fight or like the WBC use other reasons to call someone franchise champion?

Just look at the WBCs own rule book :
a WBC Franchise champion designation has been established to provide a unique status to those fighters who prove to be of an elite level and stature, those who compete and have activity in multiple divisions, those who have accomplished success in the ring and hold a proven and unquestionable stature in the boxing industry.

Going by that if Haney beat kombosos he wouldn't be franchise champion as he doesn't fit the criteria.

Oh and the real kicker is the franchise champion doesn't have mandatory defences lol. How the **** can the 'real champion' be exempt from mandatory defences?

It's nothing but a vanity project for the WBC to collect sanctioning fees.

How can you defend such nonsence?

 

It wasn't a vacant title. It was an upgraded title. But I tell you a vacant title that no one had to fight for, Haney's WBC title.

The regular title was then declared vacant and fought by Easter and Barthélemy, then by Davis and Gamboa.

Nonsence. I'll tell you what's nonsense mate, Lomachenko went out and fought every single belt holder, unifying 3 titles. He then lost the further unification with Lopez, who then lost to Kambosos.

Someone arguing that he's no longer undisputed, based purely on an email sent by the WBC. That's nonsence.

This series of posts, arguing that Haney has any sort of valid dispute to a LW championship, that's nonsense.

Your nonsensical position that Haney has a valid dispute to the title, but Davis doesn't, that's nonsense.

The time wasted in this whole conversation, that's nonsense.

Stating that no one has a valid dispute to Kambosos championship claim, thats just common sense.

Enjoy your evening sir.

 

Whilst I am most definitely in agreement that the franchise belt is not like the WBA super, because winning the franchise belt allows you to then challenge the WBC title holder as a mandatory for the full title...

Kambosos does consider himself undisputed champion. I saw him give an interview to fight hub where he has not one, but 2 WBC belts haha. And he said, I'm paraphrasing: "Look I have all the belts, so I'm undisputed, but honestly I don't care. I'll fight whoever."

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Ah okay, but that is a far more nuanced argument to the one you originally made. I understand what your position is now. But it really depends what you mean by "the man," because my point is the independent sanctioning bodies can award a belt to their champion, but they can also recognize "the man" of the division. But they can also recognize whether someone is "undisputed" these are three separate things.
For me, you can be the man of the division if you are the lineal champion, and the #1 lightweight. BUT that doesn't necessarily mean you are undisputed champion. Undisputed champion is holding all 4 major titles simultaneously.

So, of course the WBA, WBO, IBF don't determine the primary champion of the WBC, but they can choose to recognize which champion is the primary champion if the WBC is unwilling to do so. They can also recognize "the man" of the division, but I'm not sure any of them have done that. They can also recognize an undisputed champion, but only the WBC has done that. Which means it is clearly disputed. That is my argument.

Originally your post implied that all of the sanctioning bodies recognized Teo, and therefore now Kambosos as undisputed champion. But that was not correct. IBF, WBO, WBA only recognize Canelo and Taylor as undisputed and list them as such. They actually will recognize a Franchize champion as primary champion BUT ONLY IF The WBC world title is not held by anyone, see Estrada at Super-fly(Junior bantam). i.e. all the other sanctioning bodies recognize the WBC world title as being above the Franchise title in any weight class.

But again, whilst I agree with you that the WBC can recognize whoever they want, they cannot dictate that the rest of boxing has to follow their new system which breaks from the traditions of the sport. And it's pretty clear that if by beating a franchise champion you become mandatory for The WBC world title, which strongly suggests the Franchise champion is below the world title. I'm not on the side of the WBC on this one, no one wants a proliferation of belts, and certainly most don't want to recognize the Franchize champion which is extremely poorly defined.

The main problem is the WBC is unwilling to just say The Franchise champion is attached to a specific weight class and it is above The WBC title (i.e. just like the WBA super title). They want to have two equal champions operating in the same weight class, and all the other sanctioning bodies, and independent ranking bodies, and major boxing TV networks, and the majority of the top fighters, are calling bull**** on it.

 

No they didn't. Loma requested it like Canelo did.

 

George is the king pin of the division no matter which way you look at it.

 

Source please.

 

Sulaiman said Lomachenko wanted it, then said he is still champion in the same video.

 

At this stage I think everyone bar a tiny minority consider Kambosos undisputed anyways.