Kell Brook: UK training methods are "behind the times"

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  1. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's cut the BS about the UK fielding a disproportionate number of top fighters relative to overall population.

    You raise up "champions" like Callum ****ing Smith domestically and once they come here it's an embarrassment.
     
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  2. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Was talking about Plant against Canelo. Spence regularly spars light heavyweights for your information.
     
  3. Likethembigroundchunky

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    Its a very english mentality that goes far beyond boxing. They only teach what they know and reject new ideas out of hand with no ability to think or innovate for themselves. If you don't conform the politics will keep you away from places of influence. Change is very slow.

    Can you imagine julio cesar martinez going through the uk amateur system?

    Its definitely cultural.

    I have my own personal examples but just look at ww1 where the axis were using new tactics such as machine guns and we carried on using calvary charges and sending people over the top.
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I do agree with you, but I actually think it has not only stagnated, but gotten worse. I read the book 'Instructions to Young Boxers' by Bobby Neil, British Featherweight Champion, written in 1961. He advises young Boxers to use all the 'old school' movements that you see an American or Mexican fighter use - rolling the shoulders, inside positioning, slipping and parrying the jab with the right hand, uppercut counters etc. And this is for amateurs. I think the introduction of point systems and headguards hampered the Boxing development here, though there are so many factors it would take too long to state imo.
     
  5. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    is this a surprise?
    everything in UK is behind the times
     
  6. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Why do Americans wear their trousers so low?



    Because brits have all the belts


    :outtahere:
     
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  7. bw51

    bw51 Active Member Full Member

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    we need to differentiate race from training methods. For example, AJ is nigerian but he was trained in the UK, therefore, he cannot be considered a nigerian fighter. He is a british fighter when it comes to boxing. It's the same point i made about lennox lewis earlier, Lennox Lewis learned how to box in North America and only came to the UK when he decided to turn pro bc he felt it was better for his career. but he had represented canada in the olympics and often trained in the US. he learned to fight in america
     
  8. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    AJ is a Brit and a Nigerian by his ancestry and in his heart. He and I come from the same state. The Governor of Ogun State after AJ’s victory over Pulev said it showed that the states policy on sports and boxing was working. To be honest even I had to laugh at that.
     
  9. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    AJ was born and raised in the UK
     
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  10. Dodgy Syrup

    Dodgy Syrup Active Member banned Full Member

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    Perhaps, it's Kell Brook whose training was behind the times.

    The majority of the most successful, entertaining, interesting, or bankable, stars of recent years haven't even been American.

    Fury, Loma, Canelo, Bertebiev, Bivol, GGG, Usyk, AJ, Pac, Kovalev, to name a few, as well as some of the interesting Japanese fighters.

    They have been the big draws, or the fighters most knowledgeable people rate.

    Even Ruiz considers himself Mexican.

    For me, the only proven quality fighters who can mentioned in the same breath as those guys in terms of craft, or mainstream interst and PPV draws, are Crawford, Spence, and the 135 lot...who are an exciting bunch of prospects.

    In short, America is not the centre of the boxing world anymore, and if gullible Yanks weren't so easy to fleece for $100 per PPV fight night most big dust ups wouldn't even be in the States these days.

    It's just the facts are that there is still the most money to be made charging Americans 7 times the rate in Europe or Asia to watch Mexicans fight on t.v.

    Otherwise, they'd be in the Emirates where there's huge money or in Britain where the fight night atmosphere is 20 times better.

    That's the reality.
     
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  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Lewis learned most his advanced fundamentals when he signed with Steward who knew morre about boxing than most British trainers.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Crawford is more skilled than Fury and AJ.
     
  13. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Calzaghe was a lot better than Smith is but you do raise a good point, Warrington and Frampton are more skilled than too.
     
  14. JDub

    JDub Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah Crawford looks good but he's fought what Gamboa and the shells of Khan and Brook. Who knows how good he really is.
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Khan as a Brit was never in Bud`s league, Crawford`s fundamentals are better, he is very well-schooled.