Kelly Pavlik Can Handle Hopkins, But Can Jack Loew?

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Can a trainer of Jack Loew's experience and expertise level handle the task of devising a succesful gameplan against the old master Bernard Hopkins, or will Loew be the weak link in the chain? It was only recently that Hopkins defeated the 1-2, straight throwing, high class, high volume punching Winky Wright. Hopkins is no easy puzzle to solve. Any chance that Team Pavlik may be in too deep, or is Hopkins simply too old at this point regardless of the circumstances?
     
  2. Kolya

    Kolya Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jack Lowe's not a weak link. I just saw him at an amateur tournament and aside from Kelly, he has several good amateurs he trains as well. And they don't all fight like Kelly, either. He knows what he's doing.
     
  3. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Personally, I was a big fan of Loew's "double jab" in the first Taylor fight. Definately the key to victory, and one of the clear times we can directly attribute the tactical planning of a trainer to the success of his fighter in a major fight. However, I'm asking about Hopkins, an entirely different animal. I realize that Loew is not a weak link generically speaking.
     
  4. Kolya

    Kolya Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, because I think from what I saw of him he can adapt and have people work differently, it's not like he only knows how to teach one thing. And Kelly is so good and experienced by now that even if he has a style he prefers and is best at, he can learn and do what Jack is teaching him or telling him will work against B-Hop.
     
  5. RealIzm

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    I think there will be a good gameplan for Hopkins. However there will be adaptations made based on what Hopkins is doing and how Kelly is affecting Hopkins. Loew is also very good at formulating a plan on the fly, and more importantly Kelly actually listens to Loew...
    Stylistically I think Pavlik has an easier time with Hopkins than Joe did, mainly based on the fact that it will be tougher for Hopkins to "ruin" this fight because of Kellys straighter and longer punches, whereas Joe needs to get abit closer to be effective
    Anyway Hopkins gets handed a beatdown by yet another white boy:yep
     
  6. san rafael

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    Interesting, it sounds like you see Loew as exactly the opposite. You see him as a strength for Pavlik going into this fight with Hopkins. Input appreciated, Kolya.
     
  7. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Also interesting insight. ^ Good food for thought and good points made, RealIzm.
     
  8. RealIzm

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    Thanks San:good But how do you feel? Why would'nt Loew be just as helpful to Kelly as he's been before? Do you honestly feel that Hopkins is a better fighter than say Jermain Taylor? Maybe intelligence wise, but I think it comes down to ability
     
  9. Machine

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    I think Loew has made some really good decisions regarding game plans in fights so far. Getting Pavlik to push Miranda back at all costs cos Miranda can't fight going backwards worked to perfection. In Taylor II Jermain was countering Pavlik's jab with a straight right and landing a lot. Pavlik's adjustment where he fainted the jab to draw the counter was decisive in that fight. I think Loew might be a bit more cagey than his experience at that level would suggest.
     
  10. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Jack Loew can help him with guys like Taylor and Miranda but Hopkins's inteliggence is way too much
     
  11. MrSmall

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    I'm afraid that's complete poo.
    The trainer won't make or break this fight.
     
  12. san rafael

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    It's sort of like thunder said regarding Hopkins' fighting intelligence, above. ^ He's going to be completely opposite from a Taylor or Miranda in terms of the look that he's going to give Pavlik at this point. Ability is a huge factor, I agree with you - as well as youth and agility, speed... But it just might be possible that a crusty old bag of Hopkins sneaky tricks might be more trouble for someone like Pavlik, than Taylor's explosiveness, talent, and straight ahead fight plan, when it comes down to it.

    If Team Pavlik can't come up with a solid answer for Hopkins' potshot and hold methods it could be a long night. Hopkins is one of the best defensive fighters the sport has seen in the last chunk of years. It won't be easy to score on him, even an old worn out version of him. Pavlik on the other hand is far from elusive defensively, though he's excellent at parrying and blocking.

    It's fairly easy to see Hopkins having a relatively easy time scoring, and Hopkins making it pretty damn difficult for Pavlik to do the same. Taylor has very good offensive ability, but defensively he's no where near Hopkins' skill level. That's going to be a key factor IMO. Pavlik had trouble finding Taylor whenever Taylor wasn't standing still, dead in front of him, essentially. He's going to have big trouble finding Hopkins based on the tapes, especially if he's only got 10 rounds to do it.
     
  13. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Most fights - no.

    This fight - maybe.
     
  14. konaman

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    Hopkins ugly style will definitely give Pavlik trouble at times, his trainer can only help the situation imo.
     
  15. fatcity

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    The trainer is important,but when it all comes down to it ,the fighter is the one who must improvise and carry out the plan.If the trainer was the end all,dudes like Emmanuel Steward would never have a fighter who loses.