Kelly Pavlik H2H vs. the Super Six

Pavlik vs. Ward: Ward UD
Pavlik vs. Froch: Froch KO 8
Pavlik vs. Abraham: Abraham KO 5
Pavlik vs Dirrell: Dirrell UD
Pavlik vs Green: Pavlik UD
Pavlik vs Kessler: Kessler UD

 

that made my day:yep:yep:yepatschatschatsch

pavlik was ****, is **** and will be ****. he is the most overrated fighter since lacy.

froch would rip him a new *******
kessler would ud him
abraham would destroy pavliks brain
ward would win un ugly ud
dirrell would kncok him out in the last rounds
pavlik would beat green, thats the only fact

 

The way he lost to a small middleweight bothers me too much to fairly consider these match ups. I hear Boo talking about pressure regarding a Dirrell fight...are we talking about the same pressure he applied to Martinez?

 

The funniest guys on this thread are the butt hurt calzaghe fans. I don't blame them for being humiliating buy Joe's actions, but it's been nearly two years, and the poor *******s are still struggling with the emotional chaos Slappy left them with.

The second funniest group is the froch fans. Is Kelly Pavlik 14 seconds better than a damaged version of Jermain Taylor? Most sane people believe he is.

And then there's Arthur "the can killer" Abraham. AA's fans are always entertaining, but here's a bit of a reality check. Miranda mangled Arthur's face, but KP damn near killed poor Edison. Pavlik stopped Zunuga in 9 rounds. Arthur ran the other way, and made a fight with the great Elvin Ayala who just got thrashed in one round by 21 year old David Lemieux.

 

Boo your delusion holds no bounds. Dirrell and Ward both move better than Martinez, hit harder, faster, and are both more well rounded. For you to say a slow lumbering Kelly Pavlik has any chance at all vs those two guys is ridiculous and I think deep down you know it.

He has no chance of cutting the ring off vs those two guys, they are slippery as hell and move super fast. Kelly's slow foot-speed won't get him near them. They would buzz around the the outside of the ring like a mosquito, landing at will and then getting out of there, all night long. It would be like round 9 of Martinez-Pavlik for every round. Styles make fights and those two guys are all wrong for Kelly, just like Martinez was, just like we told you.

 

Yup. Styles make fights. Boo is conveniently ignoring this crucial point.

Pavlik would probably get KTFO by both Dirrell and Ward. He would be way too easy to hit and Pavlik would land almost nothing.

 

:rofl:roflatsch What a disgraceful nuthugger.

 

Pavlik's big advantage is gone above 160: his size. If he was the same fighter from a few years ago, he'd have a chance vs Froch, Abraham, Green and the current version of Kessler. Now it'd be a toss up.

Dirrell and Ward would handle any version of him by UD I think. Prime Kessler would have KO'd Pavlik.

 

pav ..decison or loss to abraham..
pav ko. froch... froch would be dumb and try to knock with him
pav vs green is a beating for green
pav vs dirrell..might be a frustrating schooling from dirrell
pav vs. ward... i actually think pav ahs a better chance against him.
pav vs. kessler... i say pav.

 

pav. fought everyone that these guys in the tournament fought already.

and did well by them. ...he already proved himself without being in the tournament...
his **** got scrambled against martinez...horribly...with no advice on what to do better by his corner...a corner tha never needed to give him much advice.

pav will be comfortable soon...and back on track.... and i'm not a nut hugger either

 

The bold part is not true. Even in the rounds KP won (3, 5, 6, 7, 8) he did not do a freaking thing Leow told him to. Leow gave the right instructions consistently (jab to the chest, work the body, throw the 3-2.) Pavlik ignored him, and spend 90% of the fight head hunting (22 body shots over 12 ****ing rounds.) The loss is on Kelly, not Jack.

 

Actually, Boo, you would have to rank as one of the funniest dudes on here but sadly, you're one of the more deluded. You still haven't gotten over the exposure of Pav as being pretty ordinary. And Joe ?

WTF has he got to do with anything here ? Last time I looked, he had been retired (unbeaten) for a long time.

At one time, I would have called Froch-Pav a 50-50, but on recent form, no way does PAv survive the distance. Froch is just stronger and tougher. PAv is the better boxer, but he would be the one getting pressured here. I don't see him holding up.

Your A v B and B v C, so therefore AvC ... schtick is wearing thin. Foreman demolished Norton and Frazier in a round or two and both guys beat Ali, so Ali loses to Foreman ?

Cliche as it is, styles make fights.

Miranda landed a good clean shot on AA's jaw and AA went on to still beat him, almost stopping him in the ninth. Based on what we saw from Pav, who was in a lot less trouble against Sergio, and wanting to quit, you can be pretty sure how Pav would have fared with a shattered jaw against Miranda for eight rounds.

In the rematch, AA did to Miranda what he would have done to Pav, had they ever met at 160.

At 168, AA has an even easier time.

Your weeks of analysis of Martinez-Pavlik and scornful dismissal of those of
us who called it a pick'em fight, should have made some truths evident to you.

But apparently not.

Before Pav's Cinderella run, you used to make sensible posts sometimes. But since then, you have suffered a near clinical obsession, to the detriment of your reason and good sense.

And it's more tragic than funny.

 

Against Green, he would be a very slight favourite.

He loses to all the rest, some of them brutally.

 

You are the funny one here. Any of the super six fighters would beat Martinez and easily. If you talk about Arthur's first fight against Miranda, what about the second? What about Pavlik being almost KO'd by Taylor, who hadn't hurt an opponent in two years at that point?

Pavlik's career was build on some good attributes he has and the lack of ring intelligence and stamina of Taylor. He will never beat fighters who can match him in the chin and power departement (Abraham, Froch) or fast, skilled fighters liek Dirrell, Ward.

 

Froch would destroy Pavlik IMO, and the Abraham fight would probably be even worse. I think out of all fighters, he has the best shot to beat Green and even there, Green is a two handed puncher who is fast ( and naturally bigger) so its not a given.