Kelly Pavlik: I have to shoot Calzaghe in the foot to get him to stop running from me

Hopkins fought the only kind of fight he could have - and it paid off; he negated Calzaghe much of the fight, to much frustration for JC. Had Hopkins fought differently he would have lost very big. Bernard is a very smart boxer, which is why he is still competitive.

As far as performances. JC has looked like crap by his standards, and peak performances in his most important ones. The man is arrogant about his boxing, and sometimes that costs in the aethetic area. Pavlik has looked pretty convincing in most I have seen him in, but most of it is against feeble opponents.

But fighting at 160(164) is still a bit different than to be fighting at 168 with a guy that by far outweighs him on fight night. Pavlik often wins by good variety of punches and hitting pretty hard. However, JC fights at a totally different pace than Taylor or whomever the Ghost has faced. Calzaghe has lost a bit, but not much. He still has awesome stamina, speed, upper bodymovement, footwork, versatility, and with his age and increasingly more difficult fights; experience. None of which Pavlik has.

I dont think that Pavlik is bad at all - but Calzaghe is the king at 160-175, both in terms of skill and performances.

Even if(which I dont think at all) that Pavlik impresses vs Hopkins, it will not alter anything against JC. Anyone who has seen both, should know this... If Pavlik had 3 more years, then maybe... Afterall Pavlik only won vs a Taylor who has underperformed in years - and was only undefeated due to the love from the judges...

 

Dude....this is total bull****. When you to try deem someone "worthy or not" you're looking for an excuse. Lets not pretend Joe C had some magical career where he's so ahead of anyone else.

Pavlik is as worhty an opponent for Joe C today as anyone. Unless all you give a **** about is the size of their purse.

 

Well, I am in the firm believe you have seen my assessments on this fight more than once, so is there any need that I should elaborate?

Yes, if you had been following boxing, then there is apparently something called - worthy to face the king of the hill.

So what if he beat Taylor? Taylor had looked like **** vs Wright, Spinks, Ouma already. And if he had gotten the loses he deserved, then not many would be cheering as much about the win. Taylor has pretty low workrate, and dont move around much. Calzaghe is a total different league. Only idiots think that JC is afraid of Pavlik.

I am not even sure this fight would make alot of money - unless it is in Wales.

 

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Tocker Pudwell is more worthy than Kelly Pavlik?

wned Whether you know it or not.:yep

 

I take anyone who says Pavlik isn't worthy of Joe C about as serious as those who said Cotto wasn't worthy of Mayweather. It's as if some of these guys are afraid to see this fight made so they make any excuse they can think of.

 

Why would I look for an excuse? I am in the firm belief that Calzaghe would have no trouble with Pavlik.

Right now he is ahead of anyone else - until proven otherwise. In his top fights he has been nothing but stellar - save vs Hopkins, who is as I said - a very smart fighter.

Why should a MW who has only performed at 164 at the highest, and has had only 1 former WC in his resume to be a legitimate opponent for a 21 time champ that was the first to unify SMW, and has just moved to Light HW and beat a old legend? He only has a small case, IF he beats Hopkins... Till then, he should shut up.

If you aren't already aware of this, but JC is only adding to his bank account currently - he has proved himself. And who cares for this fight really?

Maybe Pavlik should prove himself at 168 before he gets this fight. Or at least clean his own weak division first.

 

There is also such a thing as fighting the next best fighter available when you think of yourself as the king !

Less than a year ago, Calzaghe was saying out loud that RJJ was completely shot and not worth a shot at him...

Who would generate more mainstream interest than Pavlik ? Tarver ? No WAY...DAWSON ? Less than Tarver, enough said... Woods ? Just a local fight that means **** in the US, so therefore can only generate decent revenues from 1 market instead of 2 !!

Pavlik vs Calzaghe would be huge..Nuff said !!

On many occasions, Calzaghe mentionned he'd love to fight Pavlik because he initially wanted to fight Taylor if Jermain would beat Pavlik..

Time went by...and after Enzo saw what Pavlik can do up close...

He told his son not to take the fight because it was too dangerous for him at this point !!!

 

I think you are right. If Kelly beats JC, then how does Mikkel look? Like I said in a previous post, it was Calzaghe that called out Kelly. Repeatedly. The documented links have been posted. So "worthy" is out the window anyhow. Joe made a call didn't back it up. End of story. Geez. This is just so black and white it isn't funny.

 

You say a lot but don't answer the point. It was Joe calling out Kelly.

 

DanePugilist caught the PBF fans virus..plain and simple !

 

:roll: Did Joe C PROVE himself @ 175 before getting a shot? Did Hopkins PROVE himself worthy for his shot? hey, how did Joe C get worthy for a Eubanks fight when HE hadn't done squat? And when did your opinion become the one that matters on whether a guy is worthy or not? Were ALL of Joe C's former opponents deemed worthy by his fans first?

It's a good fight that could have been made, that's all that should matter.

And who cares if Joe C's taking "bank account" fights. Isn't that why he spend his entire career at home, because he was making good money already? More then he could get in the states?

Joe C's become the Welsh Money May it seems. Such a shame. :-(

 

I noticed that too with some Joe C fans. Funny how everyone become a manager when a tough fight can be avoided instead of a money fight.

 

I understand everyone has their favorite boxers and try to defend their moves, but every fan should remain objective and call out what he feels are the best possible fights out there !!!

We should start saying a champ needs to stay worthy of his status and fight the best in order to keep his status instead of seeing it the other way around....:shock:

 

Why should Pavlik be the 2nd best from 160-175? Taylor isn't that great a win. Pavlik has only absorbed some of the interest that Taylor was losing way before he faced Pavlik.

Maybe Pavlik-Calzaghe will be huge - till they fight - then it will be apparent that is was not the right match to make as one of Calzaghes last. How huge will it be when(or if) Hopkins beats him? Right now Pavlik rides on the hype that spawned Taylor.

Calzaghe also said he wanted to face Kessler, but still the dane had to wait - and rightly so. He wasn't on the map, even if he is more skilled and has been more convincing than Pavlik. Pavlik is on the map, but mostly due to hype, not skills... This will be a slight mismatch, if it was ever fought.

But yes, since hype and mainsteam attention means more than skills, then it could be a big match - and I am then sure it will happen after they face their individual legends. So no loss - time will only help Pavlik.