Kelly Pavlik. Is he talented enough to be an all time great?

For all time great consideration , Kelly has a good start thats for sure. Two wins over Taylor, and a big KO over Miranda isn't chopped liver. He seems to be impeccibly conditioned, always prepared with a sensible fightplan, is rangy with a big punch, and isn't afraid to get punched in the nose.Longevity will be the deciding factor, and if he continues to fight on a high level, he just may be a Hall of Fame Canidate ten years from now.

 

Great posts so far gentlemen. I must be honest, when I first saw the thread title I was skeptical and figured I would open this thread just to read more "bull ****" about Pavlik. I agree with you guys completely.

He's still VERY young and off to one hell of a start.

BTW, Mendoza I ejnoy David Haye's fights quite a bit as well. He hits like a Mack Truck.

 

A few more wins and a few more belts and he will be an ATG, especially if he manages to retire undefeated.

 

:good

 

Talented enough, not really.

He could still manage it depending on who they match him up with

 

He has the power and heart to become an all time great, and power is a skill people don't understand that.

 

you're from milwaukee, too, huh? what side? i'm in bayview.
anyway, with all time great middleweights, i'm not so sure...we're talking about guys like hagler, hearns, leonard, robinson and so forth...i think if pavlik did manage it, he'd be further down the list.

 

lol yea, southern side of milwaukee towards oakcreek i guess...btw your avatar is ****ing halarious. :rofl

 

I cant believe how over-rated this guy is, if he wasnt american this thread would have been laughed at.

 

ATG is a long way away, but there's no saying he couldn't reach it down the road. He first must fight some great fighters and beat them. Taylor's a hell of a fighter, but when you're mentioning names like Hagler, Pavlik hasn't even begun to approach that level of greatness. Another problem for Pavlik is that the competition isn't anywhere near as good as the days of Hagler. He and Abraham are the talent at 160, with Taylor having moved up. Calzaghe's soon to retire, which basically leaves Kessler and Bute at 168. And I don't think he has the defense, frame or the chin to take on LHWs.

 

can't go wrong with mother angela. look her up on youtube.

 

Yes, he's only had 2 title fights and has to go back to the gym and fine tune his skills. I think 5 or 6 title defenses and maybe a title at 168-175 would solidify his status as an all-time great. He might be too tough for alot of these guys out there. He has a great chin, a great jab, and a strong right hand that stops you in your tracks, and he determined as hell.

 

I don't see Pavlik losing at middleweight ...
He might not retire undefeated thats pretty difficult but at the same time I don't think that Kelly has shown the public all of his skills. I wonder if Pavlik can get on his toes and box w/ good movement.