Kelly Pavlik is not a one punch knockout artist he's an accumulation fighter

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  1. DoubleM

    DoubleM Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Let's knock this MYTH that he's some sort of one punch knockout artist. He hit Miranda clean for how many rounds against the ropes and he was still standing. Espinso brought the fight to him and was with him for 6+ rounds and he's a journeyman.

    Pavlik is an heavy handed accumulation type fighter who needs you to be right in front of you to do damage. Give me one fight where he lands his right hand on a moving target. This guy will be missing all night on Sergio Martinez. Another great white hype down the drain.
     
  2. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    His punches don't carry the type of speed to instantly destroy targets, but Pavlik is extremely heavy handed. Calling him an accumulation puncher isn't quite accurate, IMV.
     
  3. DoubleM

    DoubleM Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Which is exactly why he has ALWAYS struggled with techincal/speed fighters. His speed will simply not allow to to find a moving target. Boxers like Hopkins and Sergio will see his right hand coming. I have never seen Pavlik hit a fighter on the move. Yes, BHOP is a great and cagey fighter, but Pavlik literally had no answer to his movement to make me even consider him beating Martinez.
     
  4. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Now you're changing the subject entirely... Agenda much?
     
  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    A fighter does not need "one punch" power to knock Martinez out. He is not hard to hit, and those who claim he is some sort of awesome slickster have to ignore a large number of historical facts in order to make that claim.
     
  6. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know about this. I think if he lands solid on you, it's lights out. Look at what he did to Zertuche. Knocked him out while he was standing up.
     
  7. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    seriously, boot these racist morons:-(
     
  8. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    its hard for some people to understand that some fighters that have considerable movement aren't always that elusive.
     
  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Something else people are missing when they look to the Hopkins fight for clues. Bernard muscled Pavlik and backed him up with his strength and size which facilitated most of the other tactics Hopkins employed. Don't expect to see that tonight.
     
  10. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this is an important point. Hopkins at 170 vs Pavlik at 170 isn't the same as Pav at 160 vs Martinez at 160 in terms of physicality.
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't be so ****in sensitive.:lol:
     
  12. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If you guage martinez defense off of the paul williams fight then you are getting a false impression of his defense and that goes for anyone who faces paul williams. He's gonna hit you regardless of the defense you bring. It just means that you have to get yours in because you aren't gonna dodge that reach, output and above average speed even if you are as fast as martinez. I dont care who you are, PAUL WILLIAMS IS GONNA HIT YOU. He fights the whole fight in the line of fire with a guy who's fighting like a video game character who is controlled by a person pressing A B A B A B constantly. Pavlik doesn't present that type of defensive challenge. He presents the don't get caught by the straight right hand challange and sergio is well equipped to deal with that. He was very elusive against cintron who fights at a normal pace and did his damage there. You will be eating those words "he's not hard to hit" when you see pavlik having an extremely hard time hitting him.

    And yes pavlik does have 1 punch KO. It's a stiff type of power like carl froch's straight right hand and has more to do with larger bone structure and arm length than speed in that right. That straight right of pavliks landing square on an opponents face is more than capable of rendering someone punch drunk in an instant.
     
  13. NeckBreaknAiken

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    Pav is not going to KO Martinez with one punch. He has to land a good punch, and then another, and another, and another. I don't see him being able to do that consistently against Martinez, at least not enough to wear him down to a stopage.


    If anything this fight will look a lot like Cotto-Margarito, where the more technically gifted but shorter, smaller fighter finally succumbs to the accumulation and pressure, while ahead on the cards.
     
  14. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    im actually black, its 2010 and people are still talking all this racist bull****. why cant we just talk boxing and not race? is that so much to ask for??:-(
     
  15. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bernard circled and backed into the ropes, then darted in with a straight right. When he got in close he had enough strenth that pavlik couldn't move him back when bernard let loose on him. Pavlik didn't know what to do and bernard repeated the process all fight. Dart in from the ropes and do damage because pavlik can't fight in close or backing up. Sergio isn't as physically strong as hopkins but he is strong enough to hold his ground.