Kelly Pavlik Logs In Worst Perfomance of His Career

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  1. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    How many fighters can we say that about?
     
  2. Mr. HU

    Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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    :deal
     
  3. Mr. HU

    Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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    :nono
     
  4. futonrevolution

    futonrevolution Boxing Addict Full Member

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    115-112
    115-111
    116-111
    That is with the knockdown.

    Now, say it with me...
    "My scoring is not official. My revisionist bull**** is not reality."
     
  5. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    I was prepared to give you a pass when you said you deleted the first post because you changed your thoughts and realised it was stupid, and then you came out with a turn of excuses again. You may aswell have left the first post in place because all you've replaced it with is a similar amount of drabble.
     
  6. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Looks like one of the judges did score the 9th as 10-8.
     
  7. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Here's a poll where people were asked to vote on which loss was worse.

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=16239

    Two things seem odd to me:

    1) Posters in this poll voted that the Martinez loss was worse by a 2-1 margin, but I'm getting flamed for saying Pavlik put in a poor performance.

    2) I've read hundreds of posts on ESB that claimed, in one way or another, that Hopkins ruined Pavlik. I denied that and always got flamed for it. Now that I conceeded the possibility, I'm a ******.
     
  8. WatchfortheHook

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    That was my poll! Bare in mind though it wasn't in regards to performance in the fight, the poll was about which affected Pavlik's image/career worse. On the one hand there's losing to a 43 year old past-prime but still good legend 10lbs above the weight class that he was expected to beat and on the other hand was a 35 year old fighter who was from a lower weight class. Clearly, they both affected his image/career negatively, but which was worse. Most of the people who responded for Martinez was due to the fact that he lost pretty much 8-4 to a 154lber. Once again...it wasn't a poll of performance.
     
  9. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I'm not 100% certain I understand your point correctly. If I understand your point, then yes, you are correct. If emotional fragility was always there just under the surface, then he was never as good as I thought he was.

    However, he seemed to show tremendous tenacity in the first Taylor fight. He got his ass beat bad in the 2nd round, and then came out and returned the favor in the 3rd. The catch is, we'll never know what might have happened if Taylor would have won the next couple rounds.
     
  10. foomanshoo31

    foomanshoo31 Musician... And Lovin' IT Full Member

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    OMG... What's wrong with being a cheerleader for your favorite fighter? Everyone on this site does? This fight had nothing to do with skill. The ONLY advantage that Martinez had physically was footwork and speed. Now there is no question in my mind that Pavlik didn't want to be there from the first bell. I don't know the guy, I don't know if he has a drinking issue, or whatever. I DO know to perform at the highest levels you have to be %100 percent physically AND mentally. Obviously the Pavlik who showed up for some of his other fights DID NOT show up in this one. Martinez played his game EXACTLY like he was supposed to. I don't think the best Martinez beats the best Pavlik. Sorry, I just don't. People keep talking about skills. Pavlik has many skills and to degrade those by calling him one-dimensional or whatever is really cutting the kids accomplishments. I know it's real easy for us to do that via a computer, but give the kid some respect. Martinez clearly got the better of him and showed very good skill and mental toughness. Obviously Kelly needs some work, especially with counter-punching. He does have good defense WHEN he chooses to use it. Unfortunately, something mentally is going on. He doesn't appear to want to fight as he once did. This scenario has happened to many fighters. They get a few buck, start to 'Enjoy' life and they don't have the hunger they once had. Maybe this is the case with him? I don't know. I do hope that the kid can pick himself up and correct the things he needs to. When you want to succeed in ANYTHING you have to live it. Simple as that. DO YOU WANT THIS? I don't know Kelly, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO IMPROVE ON WEAKNESSES? Are you willing to forget about partying if that is your problem between fights so you can leave some sort of legacy? If not, please just stay out of boxing. I for one don't want to see anyone get seriously get hurt because they are incapable of focusing on what he needs to do. IMO.
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

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    No.:nono

    That was not a close fight. Martinez's domination is not fairly depicted by those misleading scorecards.



    But like I said, you win some you lose some. How Kelly decides to bounce back at this point will determine how he is remembered forever.
     
  12. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Worst piece of writing ever. What are you trying to say?
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's what I'm saying as far as your reality (which i don't think is objectionable) is concerned.


    Indeed he did.

    Pavlik, at that time, was a puncher with heart. A formidable man. Then, Hopkins. If a beating is all it takes to undermine that heart then you have an intrinsically flawed fighter on your hands. Not that you should be particularly faulted for failing to see, until now, if you have seen it, that this is the case, it's hard to pick out "live", but if Pavlik is such a fighter then he was never going to amount to what you though he would.
     
  14. itrymariti

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    So 115-112 isn't a close fight? There's an argument for 115-111, but neither is wide. I'm not claiming it wasn't a clear win, and I know you all love to whine about how Martinez schooled him, shut him out, dominated him etc. but the bottom line is that it was, well, close. Narrow.
     
  15. WatchfortheHook

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    Nothing wrong with being a cheerleader. What puts some posters off is that some fans want to credit Pavlik's canvas for the win and outright deny credit to Martinez' paintbrush for the result of the fight. Basically saying that the reason the fight resulted as it did was because: Pavlik had to drain too much, this wasn't the same Pavlik as a few years ago, this Pavlik has something mentally or emotionally wrong with him, he partied too much in between fights(unfounded), he's been ruined, he didn't want to be there, he's shot, this Pavlik would have lost to current Jeff Lacy and been KO'd by Hopkins in 5, he lost because of cuts he would have won otherwise(which it's within the rules to compete through bad cuts)....saying all these kind of things without once saying Martinez fought really well and it was a bad clash of styles for Kelly. These things happen.