Kelly Pavlik Logs In Worst Perfomance of His Career

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  1. Mr. HU

    Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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    I don't give a damn what stuck in your head Boo!!!

    Martinez had a game plan to fight hard in the first 4 rounds then take his foot off the gas in the mid rounds and then go full throttle in the CHAMPIONSHIP rounds!!!!

    Martinez set the pace for that fight and he conserved his energy to come on real strong late!!!!!!

    Martinez is a way better and more elusive fighter than JT or Miranda so stop trying to compare Pavlik vs JT or Miranda to Pavlik vs Martinez!!!!

    What your not realizing is that Martinez is p4p better than Pavlik point blank!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  2. Mr. HU

    Mr. HU KP vs BHop anniversary Full Member

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    This is why I said Boo was full of **** when he posted a congratulatory thread about Martinez!!!!!

    ESB has very few objective and upstanding posters!!!!:-(
     
  3. foomanshoo31

    foomanshoo31 Musician... And Lovin' IT Full Member

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    Well, I have to say I was a bit disheartend when Pavlik was asked about the Hopkins fight he said there was nothing he could have taken (Learning wise) from that fight. I figured his ego was bruised and he would rebound, and it's looking like he didn't learn from it. There is a counter for anything, can Pavlik rebound, learn from the losses from Hopkins and Martinez? Absolutely! If he does plan on doing that he needs to make the changes that many people here have suggested. As a Pavlik fan, I DO hope he does make the adjustments he needs, but I'm going to hold my breath. Hope I don't pass out though!
     
  4. Mr. HU

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    It's very hard for a fighter who's been fighting all his life with one style to change, especially when that's what got him to be a champion!!!

    The thing that's bad for Pavlik is that he not really athletically gifted so he can't rely on quickness or reflexes to make him better! Power is great when your punching a guy who is willing to trade punches(Miranda, JT, Mckart, etc........) but when you got a guy who is athletically gifted in front of you and has a good boxing IQ (Mayweather, Dirrell, Martinez, etc..........) then all you can do is hope for a lucky shot!!!!!!!!

    I think if Martinez had did what he did to Pavlik and got knocked out cold in the last seconds of the 12th a lot of KP fans would have said that he was toying with Martinez and could have KO'd him earlier!!!!:-(
     
  5. foomanshoo31

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    You raise good points HU, he's still young enough though to make changes if he REALLY wants too. Question is does he really want to leave a legacy or just be happy with making a few bucks. Honestly, he could walk away and say 'Hey I was middleweight champ' and there should be respect there for that. I think most people knew Martinez was going to win rounds, I think some of the consensus was ok, Pavlik may try to out work or out power him, run him out of gas, hurt him and maybe get the late knockout in an exciting fight. Thing is though, in the end Will trumps Skill in many cases, because your will to win first allows you to MAKE the adjustments you need to even though you may not have the most athletic ability, etc. It can make up for a lot of things you may not otherwise be able to pull off. Maybe 9 times out 10 he loses, I don't know.. But when your giving up on a fight without pulling it through %100 we will never know what could have happened. Or what other possibilities could have arisen. We all know Kelly isn't the most gifted athletically, but mental strength can make up for a lot of it. It's a bad style match up for him, but we certainly wouldn't find out if Pavliks heart isn't in the game anymore.
     
  6. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Why do you care?
     
  7. Farmboxer

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    Martinez is fantastic! He beat Williams' arse without even training!
     
  8. aceshigh

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    Booradley comes off like a white version of this guy....

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6868F53rgKw&feature=related[/ame]
     
  9. nip102

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    Sergio fought a magnificent fight. But several self-inflicted wounds contributed to Kelly’s defeat.


    First, Pavlik didn’t use his advantage in weight as effectively as he could have. He was neglectful of Martinez’s body for long periods of time and was too passive when he got in close. He should have leaned on Sergio, pumped punches into his side, and roughed him up. Instead, he landed only 22 body blows.


    Second, Kelly tired down the stretch. Part of that was due to the demands of the fight. And part of it was because, while he worked hard and lived a disciplined life in the months leading up to April 17th, Martinez had worked hard and lived a disciplined life in the years leading up to the fight. There’s a difference.


    If a fighter hasn’t taken care of his body properly for several years, he can’t put everything together in three-and-a-half months. Not if he’s fighting Sergio Martinez.


    There was a rematch clause in Kelly’s contract for the fight. If he chooses to exercise it, in order to beat Martinez, he has to use the conditioning that he has developed so far, this year, as a platform to build on. He can’t backslide and start over again from square one.


    A better cutman would also help. For most of Kelly’s career, Miguel Diaz was in his corner. But according to a source in the Pavlik camp, Diaz demanded excessive fees for fights after Pavlik-Hopkins. That and a reported personality conflict led to Miguel being let go. There are other excellent cutmen in boxing. Sid Brumback (who was in Pavlik’s corner against Martinez) has not yet proven himself to be one of them.


    Against Martinez, the cutwork in Kelly’s corner was ineffective and the flow of blood was a factor. A big one.


    “I was having a hard time seeing,” Pavlik said in his dressing room after the fight.”


    Kelly was sitting on the same chair he’d been on a little more than an hour earlier when Jack Loew gloved him up.


    His body was streaked with blood.
    http://www.maxboxing.com/news/promo-lead/kelly-pavlik-and-the-hard-road-of-boxing-
    see hauser agrees with you but he is a pavilk nuthugger aswell
     
  10. Mr. HU

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    good post!! I can agree!!