Pantera2000...its been a long time. You hear what the above Beebs said? It took you long enough to even show your face up around here again after Kelly obliterated your boy, & now after slying slithering back into the fold, you finally got up enough balls to belittle Kelly. Well, thats pretty low. And I could conclude with saying **** you & your rat eating hero, but I won't. Because my boy has the belts, & you can only hope that Kelly doesn't smash Miranda's thick skull one more time in the future. :hi:
I agree to a extent that he is becoming a vastly overrated on this board. But he did what a champion is supposed to do, take advantage of every opportunity that comes your way.. He beat Miranda, in a title eliminator and than beat the champ in Jermain Taylor.. I mean what else can you ask for? Also, he is exciting to watch, which is always good for boxing
Im not even a big Pavlik fan, but i have to say Pantera is a joke. A guy climbs the ladder the right way beats everyone that puts in front of him by KO and then gets off the deck to dethrone the undefeated world recognized middleweight champion. He represents the ideal process of earning and obtaining a belt. Yet the way so called fans like you question his ability or credentials is an absolute joke. Does he have flaws? Absolutely all fighters do!! Will he eventually lose? Probably all fighters do!! You would be siging a different tune if he didnt beat your favorite fighter.
You see, at 210lbs Miranda is not fat. He is just freakin huge. To get down to 160lbs he had to burn muscle. That is what killed him. Look at his weigh in pictures for his last fight at 170.5lbs, the boy is freakin ripped. Where the hell did the other 10.5lbs come from??? You put Miranda next to Pavlik at 200lbs and I bet Pavlik has a beer belly and Miranda is sporting Abs.
You always make excuses over his weight but are blind to the fact that while he has POP he lacks all around skill.
Your Obviously a Pavlik hater and Miranda nuthugger... I happen to think both of them are very good fighters tho...
Your a ****in joke Pantera. Im honestly beginning to think Miranda is paying you to advertise him on boxing forums because theres no way in hell someone would stoop so low for free.
He proved many people wrong. I would have thought a 50-75% Miranda beats Pavlik and JT beats him too. So, yes he get credit. But people on this board are thinking he can now beat the greats of Calzaghe or Hopkins and I say that is nuts!
I actually dont think he can beat Calzaghe but he could perhaps beat Hopkins considering theyre both conventional... However I rate him high on my P4P for the fact of his last 2 quality wins.. over the middlweight champ JT and over your man Miranda. I think Mirandas pretty good if you ask me..which is why I rated Pavlik high based on the quality of opposition he knocked out
I'll say this again brotha . . . if you will just remove Miranda's dick out of your mouth maybe other posters here will give you some credibility . . . respect and maybe believe you. Until then . . . you cannot complain about Pavlik being over rated because the guy earned his respect inside the ring . . . he is still undefeated.