Kelly Pavlik versus James Toney @ 160.

So this thread is intended to bash Pavlik while in the thread i made about Toney, you specifically took a shot at Hopkins. You're a loser man. All you do is nuthug Calzaghe and Kessler and bash Hopkins, Taylor, Pavlik, and other American fighters. :wall

 

Gee, is this biased? Votes only state when Toney would beat Pavlik, like Toney was some undefeated monster. Sure, if the thing went to decision, Toney would walk away with a close yet clear decision, but the only guy getting KOed would be Toney, not Pavlik. If Pavlik was going to take him, it would be before the 10th round.

 

pavlik's style would play right into toney's hands. i give pavlik some credit for his toughness, but toney takes this in 6.

 

Toney would **** him, really.

This isn't a competetive fight, it's over early

 

When I saw this title...I was like...WTF!!!! Amsterdam has lost his mind. Ya fooled me bro!

:good

 

Toney didn't often have the benefit of fighting such a comparably slow fighter with such a porus defence

I look at what Jermain Taylor, who does not have the accuracy, power nor speed of a middleweight James Toney did to Pavlik and I can definitely see a stoppage before we see half way

 

KTFO in round one is ridiculous. Your exaggerating again, or at least choosing the most extreme scenario. I think it would be much like Iran Barkley v James Toney, except that Barkley had a better chin. I would expect a KO in the mid rounds. Pavlik would fight Toney differently then Taylor obviously. I think he had absolutely no respect for Taylors power, hence dropping his hands and taking 5-6 unanswered shots. He certainly wouldn't do that with Toney.

 

Not really comparable

That was a very green Mundine with no amateur background against a world class operator. Subsequently Kessler faced a much more experienced Mundine, who gave one of his best ever performances

Toney is much much better than Jermain Taylor, and we are presuming Pavlik fights to the same level

I hope you can see how these scenarios differ

 

But it's also obvious that Pavlik had much more respect for JT's power in the 2nd fight.

 

But whether he drops his hands or not doesn't make a huge difference in my view, because it's counterbalanced by Toney's superior accuracy, counterpunching and power compared to Jermain Taylor. He doesn't need to drop his hands for Toney to land, Toney waits for him to come forward with that 1-2, and picks him off with excellent counterpunching

When he's got him hurt, he'll do a damn better job than Taylor of finishing him off

 

You know, Toney was beatable at 160. 168 is where KP gets his collar stiffened, inside of 10 at the most.

 

This is no match. Toney is simply on another level. He could make Pavlik miss with his incredible defense and just counter all day long with his incredible counter punching. He could probably choose when to finish the job.

 

Toney TKO6.