Kelly Pavlik vs Carlos Monzon 160lbs

And powering down his Malbec with 20 or so heaters, a couple bikini clad bimbo's and probably some booger sugar.

And he's just another echelon than Pav, styles be damned.

 

He would beat Pavlik, again, as i said, after losing the obligatory first few rounds...by a stoppage, and probably flouting every safe rule of training and commiting most of the excesses you listed. You can do that when you have a great boxing mind, regardless of the aesthetic points that are held against him buy the "experts"..all that **** didn't seem to matter much.

 

Upon careful reading of your posts, you're less confused than I initially stated.

You did not express the point very well as you mixed your tenses, causing some of your sentences to appear off.

It appeared that you were saying that there was a difference in fighting weights of 147 up to 175 (27 lbs !) for MWs between Monzon's day and current Hopkins.

Or it could be that I just didn't interpret what you were saying correctly and took you to be counting the same-day previous-day difference twice.


At any rate, yes there is a difference of about 10-16 lbs. Specifically, the difference between the weight a boxer puts back on in 10 hours versus what he can put back in 34 hours.


I was aware of the difference in fighting weights between same-day and previous-day weigh-ins. (See links below). I just felt you were double-counting them.


http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3326604&highlight=weigh-in#post3326604


http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4630024&highlight=weigh-in#post4630024


http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3479638&highlight=weigh-in#post3479638


http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6281298&highlight=weigh-in#post6281298





And that's why I posted earlier in this thread that

 

Pavliks "6'2.5"" = Monzon's "5'11"" , but Monzon was used 2b d bigger man in his fights which isn't d case here . I saw Pavlik next 2d "6'1"" Paul Williams and Williams was visibly taller . Pavlik would have d weight advantage , and Monzon was also used 2b d heavier man inside d ring in his fights .
Monzon was durable , but so was Pavlik and Pavlik was more durable than any man Monzon had ever fought .
Here Monzon gets his advantages sometimes negated and sometimes reversed against him .
This is Y i don't think much of him on a p4p sense , because he always was @ a physical advantage over his opponents . Never fought some1 nearly equal . What happens when he's actually and suddenly @ a disadvantage ? it never happened 2 him and no1 here has n example 2 how he dealt with such a situation .

 

Monzon was taller than 5'11.

 

If Monzon was taller than 5'11" then so was Pavlik . Wasn't he also taller than d "6'1"" Hopkins ?
Monzon was not taller than 5'11" and if he was listed as more than it (i once saw a 6'2" stat 4 him) , then Pavlik has d paper credentials as well .

 

Monzon was probably around 6'0. And if given a 24-hr weigh in, he'd probably come to the ring over 170.

Monzon DOES have a tendency to be overrated. However, he'd have battered Pavlik. Pav is taller, and heavier handed, but thats about it. Monzon has a huge edge in skill, toughness, stamina, accuracy, ring IQ.

Monzon wide UD, or late TKO.

 

Monzon would win because both were big strong guys, but Monzon had more of an ability to fight on the outside and could box when he wanted to, and I think Monzon had better defense and was quicker and rangier when he wanted to be as well. Pavlik is a one dimensional plodder who hits hard and wears you down, but that would not work against as strong beast like Monzon who had a chin, was tough, could time guys or club them, could clinch, lean back or move away. His awkward but powerful style would win it for him. Fun fight though.

I'd really like to see Pavlik and Froch, for that might be somewhat comparable.

 

Monzon by KO

 

If he had been allowed to weigh in the day before he would likely come in around 6'2 as well....Then what would poor kelly do

 

Now that is surprising...I would not have guessed that you might frequent the general forum.