Kelly Pavlik vs Librado Andrade

Maybe UD then, Still dont rate him. Agree with everything you said about kessler and calzaghie though - I cant decide between them!

 

Mundine has fought a variety of hard hitters sense then but has managed to not get KOed, do you want to know why?

The guy's defence is A class level, it's very good and he's very fast and tricky to fight. Mundine is a very good fighter, he's a better fighter than both Taylor and Pavlik IMO, but he of course has no resume at the moment and may never fight again.

Mundine's chin is china obviously, which is why he can never be an A level fighter, but he's certainly a B+ who's not easy for most to fight.

Mundine also has an awful style for Kessler, good mover who's very fast and can control the pace, Kessler adapted and shut him out down the stretch, which showed Kessler's class if you hadn't noticed this.

 

I rate him, because anybody with less speed or less defence than Kessler would have been in trouble because the guy can take anything and throw at very awkward angles and on top of that, he has endless stamina and 1 punch KO power. Kessler was able to circle and stand behind a great defence while countering, that is not what Kelly Pavlik does, Kelly Pavlik pressure's and trades, which means he's pressuring against a much stronger guy and trading with a guy who can take his best shots and keep coming, this is easy to predict.

Just because he doesn't look good, doesn't mean he cannot be effective against anybody but a true elite in skills and Pavlik's a step down from Kessler's level, so take that into consideration please.

I say Andrade in 5-7 rounds.

 

Andrade has no defence. :good

 

Pavlik has a good defence?

 

No way Andrade can win this fight, these two are a class apart. :nono

 

andrade is a hard tough guy with alright power not much skill but a great jaw.it would be nice to see what pavlik would do to him but andrade was very very flawed.

no point in a fight kelley would win

 

You all underrate Andrade here. Andrade and Pavlik are on the same basic level, they both have different strengths and Pavlik is more skilled, but Andrade has the same kind of power with better stamina, a bit quicker and much more durability with a titanium chin, the workrate is the same also. Pressure actually goes slightly to Andrade.

Andrade got shut out badly by Kessler, but Kessler is at least two levels above Kelly Pavlik.

 

Koki Kameda

 

Andrade has a good shot at Bute, Bute again lacks Kessler's power, defence and precision, Andrade could get inside and be effective down the stretch.

Not in 3, but a late KO or maybe a UD if Bute loses rounds on being too defensive against a guy who will not stop coming. I sense that Bute won't deal with non stop pressure well.

 

What the hell is going on here?

When has Pavlik shown the defence, precision, speed, timing and accuracy of Mikkel Kessler? Pavlik has virtually no defence except some standard head movement and his own workrate, did you know Andrade actually has a freakish 83 inch reach?

 

All of us can be biased, but you keep it to a minimal. And with all of your predictions, you give solid evidence and facts to back them up.:good

 

To answer your earlier question, yes, Pavlik does have a defence. He is definitely no defensive specialist , but in his fights, punches thrown by the opponent does not equal punches landed on his face, ala Librado Andrade. :yep

Andrade may have better stamina but his boxing skills are inferior, as is his power and handspeed. Chin goes to Andrade, but it wouldn't matter.

Have you forgotten how little Andrade uses his reach, and how much Pavlik uses it? Pavlik beats Librado with his jab alone. Easy UD, imo.

 

Christ you people are unreal. Did I not clearly say that Andrade can beat MANY guys under the 'A' level?

Including Pavlik, who is truly nothing more than a B level solid guy who just dethroned an overrated joke of a champion. Pavlik doesn't have the necessary ability to hold Andrade off of him and will NOT be backing Andrade up, this would be a quick war and the guy with the better chin and stamina obviously wins a slugout where defence is seldom used.

 

Hopkins and Wright lack the intangibles at this point to throughly beat Taylor, I said this before the Pavlik bout and the Pavlik bout backs this up perfectly. Give Winky proper MW power and he'd have won by KO just like Pavlik did, give Hopkins his prime workrate and it'd have been the same, Hopkins by stoppage.

A 40+ Hopkins and fading Wright are not the BEST fighters in the world anymore.