kelly pavlik vs. lucian bute april in canada

Well, Williams is the bigger draw, and there is plenty of precedence where the bigger draw even gets a bigger purse than the champion.

Williams just beat a very good fighter and Pavlik just fought a bum.

Momentum is with Williams right now.

Pavlik is in a bad situation. If he fight Martinez, he has to win and win big, otherwise he just worked over a leftover.

If he fights Sturm, everyone is going to ask why.

If he fights someone else, he won't be able to sell out his hometown again.

HBO is looking to dump him. He needs to redeem himself, and if that means taking 50/50 one time for future profits, he may want to consider it.

Or he moves up and fights Bute, probably in Montreal, and that is a lndmine filled fight, with Bute being bigger, well skilled and having the home field.

2010 is a crossroads year for Pavlik. I hope he makes it through, because he is fun to watch and seems like a great guy.


Keith

 

Williams is not a bigger draw than Pavlik. KP can sell out Boardwalk hall against most any decent opponent. Williams/Martinez sold less than 3000 seats in the ball room. Pavlik/Williams was scheduled for the main hall. When KP pulled out, first thing they did was move the fight to a smaller room.

Goosen insisting on a 50/50 co-promotion is his way of protecting Williams. The Martinez fight showed pretty clearly than PW does not belong above 154, and should probably still be at 147.

Why would anyone question fighting Sturm? Felix is #2 on pretty much every ranking list that matters, and he has held a world title at 160 for almost the entirety of the last 6 years. Sturm is a real middleweight with a real title. Williams is a welterweight who lost to Quintana.

See how easy it is to spin ****:yep

 

This is the probelm with talking to fans of fighters instead of fans of the sport itself. They can't let reality into their mindset.

Of course Pavlik/Williams would draw more, they are figthting each other. Williams garners more interest than Pavlik right now in the game. Pavlik had trouble selling out his hometown, Williams woudln't. That's obvious if you pay attention.

Williams beat Martinez, who is an excellent fighter. So why would that prove he doesn;t belong at the weight. The Williams win carries far more significance than the Pavlik win this month.

If you truly are a PAvlik fan, then the last thing you want is a Sturm fight. Yeah, the HARDEST of the hardcore fans would be ok with it, but the everyday fan will only view it as a fight against a fighter that DLH beat years ago, and the casual fan won't even acknoledge it all.

Since Pavlik lost to Hopkins, he's been off the radar. He needs to bet back on the radar. He has the talent to do it, but needs the name fight to do it. Felix Sturm is not it, unless he aspires to be the Prince Charles Williams of the middleweight division.


Keith

 

Come on Keith, Sturm would be a good name. He has consistently been a top 3 MW after KP the champion and no 1 AA. Sturm is a legitimate MW and probably no 1 after Pavlik. It would be a great win in my opinion. Winky Wright is another fighter that comes to mind and recently hearing rumours he wants Pavlik as well. I just don't understand the reasoning for a KP vs PW fight. I just don't see it. I never did nor will I in the future. PW is good for boxing, but a guy who makes 147 fighiting a VERY hard hitting, BIG MW in Pavlik? Never from day 1 was I excited for a matchup between the two.

 

I think Sturm would be a good name, so do you, so do 80% of the people on thsi board. But that's it. Pavlik needs something more.

Winky Wright has a little more broad appeal, though again, he is a PW leftover. Pavlik needs a name that reasonates with casual fans, Dturm ain't it. But could be hyped up to be it. Williams is it.

Keith

 

No true Paul Williams fan should want Pavlik/Williams. PW would end up with the same kind of post-pavlik career as Miranda and Taylor. In the long run Pavlik would get very little credit for the win.

One of the problems at 160 right now is that Pavlik, Taylor, and Abraham pretty much cleared the division.

Hopkins
Zuniga
Miranda
Eastman
Taylor
Ikeke
Zertuche
Jantuah
McKart
Marquez
Edouard
Joppy

And a few others are no longer viable because because AA, KP, and/or JT beat the crap out of them:yep

The division is in a rebuilding stage right now, and there are some really good loking prospects coming up. In the big picture Pavlik doesn't need Williams.

 

I hope its Sturm's belt.

 

You know what, good point on the leftover part I agree with you on that:good the issue I am having is, if it is not winky, not sturm, I I for one would not be as excited as others about a KP vs PW matchup then who do you think OTHER the PW a good fight for KP, maybe move up?

 

You are right on, just like the HW division dominated by the brothers the MW division is in a pretty horrid state with One fighter in KP that looks hard to beat. I still think beat sturm should be on top of the agenda:think

 

The middleweight division is a mess right now with name recognition. Pavlik really missed out not getting in super six.

He has a choice to make this year, which is why I call it a crossroads year for him. Does he want to be a superstar, or just another belt holder, geting by fighting mandatories, thus my Prince CHarles Williams reference.

My choice would be, in order

1) Williams. A winnable fight over a a tested commodity. Williams is going to be around a few more years and will win more belts, a win here, Pavlik becomes the bridge too far for Williams. He will be remembered for that.

2) Move up and fight Bute, but on neutral ground. Showtime would air this, he will get visibility, and become the man waiting for the super six winner. Bute's not a household name, but he can be hyped.

3) Bernard Hopkins at another catch weight. Clear up the blemish. Hopefully Pavlik learned something and can use his youth and experience from the last fight to pull of the win.

4) Get Kermit Cintron to move up. Another decently known name with a style taylor made for Pavlik. He could destroy Cintron, maybe on the same card as Sturm fight and start the hype there.

5) Winky Wright. People know him, should be safe, will be viewed as a PW leftover, but still a good name ont he resume.

and he should stay away from MArtinez like the plague. It's a no win situation. Martinez has the style to give him a ton of trouble, and he won't look good. he should still win, but he won't look good, and it's still another PW leftover. And heaven forbid he lose. He would have to start over.

Landshark, it's been a pleasure talking to you about Pavlik. I'm a fan of his, but not to the point of some of these guys who think every thing he does is perfection. And you seem to be that type of guy too.


Keith

 

No offense, but in what universe is Paul Williams the bigger draw? He's one of the smallest draw in the sport.

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in his last fight!!!!!

Paul has no fanbase what so ever.

 

Showtime would never air a Pavlik-Bute fight. Not during the Super Six tournament.

Not to mention. HBO is all over the possible Bute-Pavlik fight. They want it bad.

 

NAw, showtime has been talking about finding the first challenger for the super 6 winner, and they don't want it to be anyone from the super six.

That's a fact.

My specualtion is that they would love to pull Pavlik, who has been losing love from HBo, and Bute has nothing long term. You get them in a fight between rounds of the super six, and have them waiting for the winner. Mix in one tune up, and you get a great three fight deal with two super fights. Showtime wins and the fighters win.

And if you look over PW's last fights he has outpulled Pavlik.


Keith

 

That scenario makes no sense what so ever.

 

ok. It's pretty clear.


Maybe it's late for you.

Keith