Kelly Pavlik Vs The Super 6 Field

Pavlik is a very good MW. He dominates due to his height advantage, leverage and workrate. But SMW is another story. He will lose to nearly all the true SMWs, has a chance against Abraham and Froch if he can avoid getting caught with a bomb (which I don't think he'll be able to do), and will outpoint Taylor again.

 

Agreed.

 

Kelly could definitely loose to all six.

Taylor could beat Kelly - and the improved Taylor we say in the Froch fight might have. On the other hand Kelly could also beat Taylor and he already has proven that. All in all 60-40 in favor of Kelly.

Kessler could beat Kelly. They are quite similar and the points where they are different Kessler usually has the upper hand. Kessler is more technically proficient and also slightly faster. 60-40 in favor of Kessler.

Abraham could beat Kelly - but I doubt it would be on points. Kelly's defence is not good enough to be airtight for 12 rounds and AA only needs a couple of opening to stop the fight. However, AA does have off-nights and he may not bring the fire on the night. Pavlik has the stylistic advantage in this fight with his long reach and real threat which means AA has to be cautious. Overall 50-50.

Direll could beat Kelly. Kelly is proven while Direll is not. Andre has looked good, really good... but against lesser fighters. I can easily see Direll winning, but until we know more (after the first Super Six fight) let us reserve judgement on this.

Ward is more proven and handled Miranda cleverly. He is very fast, determined and fights smart. I think Ward has about a 50-50 chance against Kelly - but this could be more or less depending on what we see of Ward in the tourney.

Froch could beat Pavlik. I see a really tough fight. A fight that will leave both fighters with scars for several months afterwards. I think it may not go the distance and if it doesn't then I actually think the last man standing will be the Cobra. Froch has an iron chin. Kelly himself has a good chin, but Froch is stronger and bigger and I doubt Kelly can stop Carl. 60-40 in favor of Froch.

 

If it's a drinking contest we would have to add Hatton to the list. The man is undefeated as far as I know.

 

Pavlik vs Kessler-Mikkel would slowly wear Pavlik down. Kessler won't be broken down. Good chance of late round accumulation stoppage for Kessler.

Pavlik vs Taylor III-I take Jermaine by early stoppage at 168. I thought he did enough in the 2nd fight to possibly win. He landed half of his power punches in two fights with Pavlik. Pavlik has been hit a lot, and he does not seem nearly as effective above 160 where he usually has physical advantages he won't have at 168.

Pavlik vs Dirrell-Pavlik wins. I don't know enough about what Dirrell can do, but so far I see Andre Ward as much better than Dirrell.

Pavlik vs Ward-Ward could outbox him for a decision possibly. Ward doesn't seem to have a lot of power although he has excellent boxing skills. I have a feeling Pavlik might catch up with him and stop Ward late. It's based on the uncertainty that I don't know how good Ward's chin is, or at least if it would hold up against Pavlik (If Pavlik can catch him enough!).

Pavlik vs Froch-Not sure about this one. It's ending in a KO is all I know. I'm like 50/50, but I could see Froch getting the KO late.

Pavlik vs Abraham-Pavlik should beat Abraham.He has superior height and reach would would give AA trouble, as long as Pavlik avoids getting hit with a bomb. If AA could get inside and land something big, it could be over, but my impression is Pavlik would keep AA at bay with his reach and win it.

After I see the first 3 SMW tournament fights, I'll have a clearer and more defined idea on these hypothetical fights.

Other factors: Pavlik has not looked nearly as good above 160. He's taken a lot of punishment and everyone's chin finally cracks at some point if they fight like that. If his defense improves/or has improved, I like his chances better in some of these fight. If he fought at 168, I would also have to see how he added the weight. If he did it properly it would make a difference instead of just losing less, like against Hopkins.

Lots of unknown variables as of now. Things could go either way for KP. If he has his **** together, he can still do a lot, but I am not totally confident about this, at least right now. So, we shall see.

 

Ricky Hatton will never lose a drinking contest!

 

Pavlik loses to all those guys including Jermain Taylor ... his most competetive match maybe against Carl Froch ... all those other guys are too fast, too athletic, too slick ... he can't compete with that, his best chance is against a come forward fight w/ limited boxing ability. He's shown that against a boxer he struggles ... thats why he had his first 12 round bout against Taylor (barely won, I thought he lost) and then lost to B-Hop ... again a 12 round fight ... he can't box.

 

This should be the super seven tournament.

 

Pavlik is overrated ...

 

if you mean he's an overrated lhw b/c he got whipped by hopkins...well thats jumping the gun a bit but whatever

if you mean he's an overrated mw b/c no mw has ever gone the distance w/ him including the former undefeated undisputed mw king...i disagree

 

No MW has ever gone the distance with him.... are you sure about that?:huh

 

That is actually correct.


The Taylor rematch wasn't at 160.

 

bhop is one of the cagiest ****s to come along in a long time. everyone takes that fight w/ a 180+ bhop when pav did have some documented disadvantages (whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you) as a reason to discredit his entire existance. and on top of that, this whole "if bhop beat him, anyone could" trivializes how good bhop is at what he does. no one in the smw tourney is on bhop's level. no one.

1. aa - who the hell has he fought that would make you think he would beat pav? what top fighter has aa fought that would make you say, yeah man he outboxes pav?? aa is slick?? since when??

2. dirrell - have you seen how poor his d and footwork are?? he is begging to be hit w/ a straight right behind a good jab. i still think dirrell will beat froch but that just shows how fatal froch's flaws are

3. froch - see above

4. ward - this one is tough. ward is still very green but i think he may be the goods though.

5. kess - right now would probably beat pav but it would be a good fight.

6. taylor - yeah...been there...twice...

no pav is not the second coming. yes he has his flaws. but you are making him out to be some chump and he's not.

 

Vs Taylor = Pavlik UD
Vs Abraham = Pavlik SD or a close win to either man...possible KO for either as well.
Vs Kessler = Kessler UD
Vs Ward = Ward UD
Vs Dirrell = Pavlik TKO Late...possibly Dirrell UD.
Vs Froch = Froch TKO Late...possibly Pavlik UD.

My take on it all at least...

 

I just cannot concentrate with your avatar...... :smoke