Kelly Pavlik Vs The Super 6 Field

ok but you know what i mean

1. there are a lot of things floating around here about pav's fight w/ bhop about what wasnt right w/ him. however, i still feel that he loses that fight at 170 even if he's healthy. jumping up that much against a guy that good is and was too much.

2. if there were a rematch w/ bhop at 170 i still don't see a different result

as for pav and froch, i agree the weight will make a huge difference. both men can take a shot but both can be found. both men were put down by talyor although pav was in much deeper trouble. however, both men are better at keeping their man down than taylor is and both have shown that. while i agree w/ you that froch would have handled pav much differently than taylor did in pav/taylor I, pav would have handled froch differently than taylor did as well. no froch wasnt seriously hurt at all but he was a bit stunned. it would be very interesting to see who gets to who first b/c that might make the difference in this fight.

 

This is true, but since when does Carl throw quick counter right hands over an opponent's jab? It doesn't happen. In a battle of two tough, strong, high-intensity fighters, the one who does the basics far better wins.

Anyway, that's besides the point: Pavlik is a harder puncher than Taylor, and Froch isn't hard to find. 2 + 2 = ...

 

loses to Kessler
beats Taylor
loses to Dirrell
beats Ward
loses to Froch
loses to AA

 

pavlik is just simply better than kessler . kessler hasnt proved much yet.

 

Abraham would absolutely destroy Pavlik if he would fight like that against the king. You got to have a defense against Abraham or you're doomed.

 

I think there's a bit of a difference between fast, accurate and consistent counter-punching from a prime Jermain Taylor and the one-a-round swinging slug that AA puts out there. Pavlik won't even be there to be hit against AA: he'll keep the fight from range at the end of his jab and pile up the rounds. For ****'s sake: even Lujuan Simon and Mahir Oral were beating AA when they used that tack!

 

What is this with all the "if Taylor could hurt Pavlik" non sense? Froch simply does not have the hand speed to fire something like 30 unanswered shots.

Now, let's stand this on its head. If Pavlik put Froch in the situation he was in during round 3 against taylor, Froch would not see the end of the round. That was NOT a flash knock down. You could see it coming 20 seconds before it happened. When Froch got slammed against the ropes before the knockdown, Pavlik would have jumped on him and finished him.

I think Froch will beat Dirrell, and he is probably 50/50 with Abraham. Styles make fights, and Froch and Abraham are the easiest wins for Pav out of the six.

 

Bernard Hopkins could beat Pavlik 12-0 in rounds using only a right hand feint and put the left hook behind it.

Really, shows you how much of a one dimensional foe Kelly Pavlik is, Kessler, Arthur, Ward, Dirrell(probably) and Froch all have higher dimensions to their game.

 

JT is the only fighter Pav can beat out of the super 6.

 

If you think the discritption of the above about AA is even SLIGHTLY accurate, you are nothing but an unbiased nuthugger, hater of Arthur or have not seen ANY of Arthurs fights.

1. Arthur is quick, not the fastest guy, but has underrated and good speed, Rafael Marquez can attest to that.
2. ARTHUR IS ACTUALLY SURPRISINGLY ACCURATE, most poster will agree with me, other then the Pavlik fans.
3.Arthur's gameplan pretty much is DEFINED by counter punching and I can guarantee he is at least in the top 5 or 10 best counter punchers in the game.
4. As far as the "one round swinging slug", it is obvious you have not watched most of arthurs fights, he does this when 1. he has his opponent hurt(majority of boxers go for the kill in the same situation) and 2. He does not respect his opponents power.
5. When did Pavlik become FMJ? So all of a sudden he will not be there to get hit?atsch
6. A "jab" does not pile up points, ask Paulie Malignaggi:hi:
7. So he got hit with the jab against opponents, why is that so surprising?:huh You act like arthur is immune from a jab? WTF?
8.Lajuan Simon NOR Mahir Oral were beating AA in ANY part of the fight? Please tell me the rounds where arthur was getting beaten or down on points?
Why are you degrading and looking down on AA? I know Boo and Hermit are AA's no 1 and no 2 public enemy, I call them the marketing team here on ESB to hate and degrade arthur. The guy vacated his belts when he could have stayed at MW and talk about a fight with Mora, S Martinez and now a former ww in PW but the guy is going to be fighting top notch opponents at 168? If you look at ANY of my posts, I give credit where it is due, including Pavlik, I never hate or think 24 hours of how to hate on ONE fighter.
It is fans like you that make fans and supporters of Pavlik start turning on him.
By the way, as far as the topic of the thread\
AA KTFO K PAVLIK ROUND 9:deal

 

Froch beat Pascal who has a belt at LHW and Jermain Taylor. Froch has a good chin and heavy hands, sorry but I don't consider froch an easy fight at all.
AA has defense, chin, power and counterpunching skills NOT an easy fight, if anything, the easiest fights in my opinion would be the 2 time victim in J Taylor and Ward.

 

I'm not looking down on AA; he's a very good fighter. But styles make fights, and I have to call it how I see it. It's a fact that AA doesn't throw much leather; there's no getting around that. He's been being outpointed time and time again until he erupts with some big swings: Miranda was beating him until he came out firing with those wild shot; even Lujuan Simon had his moments, and, if AA didn't get the knockdown and the couple of rounds he could have won 10-8, you could have made a case for him winning. That tells me that it's not hard to outwork AA.

AA's strategy is simple: he knows he has power, so all he has to do is wait to land a few big punches and he'll put the fight to bed. Again, that's not hating; that's just the way he fights. Now, Pavlik's no defensive genius, but he's rangy enough and does the fundamentals well enough not to let AA tee off on him like he has other fighters and to catch those wild shots on his guard. All he has to do is keep the fight at a distance, throw those long, straight punches and keep his guard up. He's tough enough and durable enough to get a decision that way.

 

My apologies to you if I offended, this is a boxing forum and everyone is entitled to there opinion to look down, hate or not like a certain fighter and I could care less, we as fans are only that, supporting fighters we like, all I am saying is there are certain posters on ESB that look down, degrade and hate 24 hours a day and it is like a mission they are on, never have something complimentary to say, anyway again my apologies if I offended you.

 

I was mainly thinking of style issues. Jermain's hand speed gave Pavlik fits in both fights. Neither Froch nor Abraham would present that problem.

Abraham's "counterpunching" is null and void. You can't counter what you can't reach, and AA's feet are not fast enough to close the gap. Pavlik is a pressure fighter. Anytime someone puts pressure on AA he goes to the ropes or a corner. That is NEVER a good idea against KP. Inside 8 rounds AA gets caught on the ropes, and Pavlik sucks the life out of him.

Froch is just way to easy to hit. Pavlik has a better left hand than JT. We saw that in two fights. JT could not miss Froch with left hands. If Pavlik started landing the left the way JT did in the first few rounds, he'd end the fight with right hand bombs.

Stylistically Froch and Abraham would present Pavlik with the least number of problems.

 

I guess we are going to agree to disagree, I think Pavlik has JT's no at ANY weight, and Direll is just to green, I would include Ward, but he showed he fights smart by clinching and holding when he feels he is in trouble or range, a physically strong fighter with defense with be highly difficult for Ward to handle. I agree with you, Froch's defense is a liability but he make up for it with his chin, unorthodox style and heavy hands, I think a fight between Froch and Pavlik will be basically whos chin holds up longer.