Kelly Pavlik Will Knock Sergio Martinez Out, and Here's Why.

booradley · Mar 22, 2010

NoHomeJerome said: ↑

Actually they would of fought already, but Pavlik backed out, not once, but twice.
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Asking for a post ponement is not backing out. The offer is still on the table. Goosen has PW in protective custody.

zoomie · Mar 22, 2010

Hermit said: ↑

Loonie? Alias? You obviously aren't here to talk boxing. Make a pick for Pavlik/Martinez.
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of course pavlik is going to win. hes facing the naturally smaller and weaker man who has leaky defense and is coming off a loss to the person he ducked out of a fight twice against...

too bad pavlik doesn't want to challenge himself anymore since Hopkins took his manhood. :-(

Hermit · Mar 22, 2010

booradley said: ↑

Asking for a post ponement is not backing out. The offer is still on the table. Goosen has PW in protective custody.
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Another guy that NEVER has an actual boxing comment. Not worth bothering with these types anymore.

Hermit · Mar 22, 2010

zoomie said: ↑

of course pavlik is going to win. hes facing the naturally smaller and weaker man who has leaky defense and is coming off a loss to the person he ducked out of a fight twice against...

too bad pavlik doesn't want to challenge himself anymore since Hopkins took his manhood. :-(
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OK spineless flip-flopping whatever.

[url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=15167[/url]

I won't bother with your posts anymore. :hi:

booradley · Mar 22, 2010

zoomie said: ↑

of course pavlik is going to win. hes facing the naturally smaller and weaker man who has leaky defense and is coming off a loss to the person he ducked out of a fight twice against...

too bad pavlik doesn't want to challenge himself anymore since Hopkins took his manhood. :-(
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Very selective memory you have there scooter. The offer to fight Williams is still on the table. Paul has the contract in his possession. All he had to do is make one phone call. He called Cintron instead.

zoomie · Mar 22, 2010

booradley said: ↑

Very selective memory you have there scooter. The offer to fight Williams is still on the table. Paul has the contract in his possession. All he had to do is make one phone call. He called Cintron instead.
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they've tried already twice!! would you ask a girl to dance after she has already turned you down twice? its obvious pavlik doesn't want to dance with PW...

techks · Mar 22, 2010

zoomie said: ↑

they've tried already twice!! would you ask a girl to dance after she has already turned you down twice? its obvious pavlik doesn't want to dance with PW...
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Not necessarily. Some guys keep askin til she says yes. Same goes for dating.

booradley · Mar 22, 2010

zoomie said: ↑

they've tried already twice!! would you ask a girl to dance after she has already turned you down twice? its obvious pavlik doesn't want to dance with PW...
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If dancing with that girl meant a 7 figure pay day, of course I'd ask again. PW claimed Pavlik was a china chinned robot, and that he would knock him out. Now Pavlik is 100% healthy, and stood center ring and laughed at Williams. Paul is fighting cintron for less money and no title.

And by the way, what did Jeff Lacy do after Calzaghe post poned multiple times?

Hermit · Mar 22, 2010

booradley said: ↑

If dancing with that girl meant a 7 figure pay day, of course I'd ask again. PW claimed Pavlik was a china chinned robot, and that he would knock him out. Now Pavlik is 100% healthy, and stood center ring and laughed at Williams. Paul is fighting cintron for less money and no title.

And by the way, what did Jeff Lacy do after Calzaghe post poned multiple times?
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You have to give him credit. Paul is looking at the bigger picture. One BIG payday or lots of smaller ones and then hope to cash in down the line. Kelly pretty much puts an end to Pdub's career just like he did with so many others. Pdub can't take the punches Miranda, Taylor... etc... can take and we know what happened to them post Pavlik.

ricardinho · Mar 22, 2010

booradley said: ↑

As an amatuer Pavlik amassed a record of 89-9, won multiple national titles, and made the Olympic Trials at a mere 17 years of age. He was eventually eliminated by Jermain Taylor. JT went on to win a bronze medal in the 2000 Olympics, and Pavlik signed with Top Rank and fought his first pro fight that year.

The experience gap between Pavlik and Martinez is to enormous to ignore. Pavlik won his first national title at 147 right around the same time Martinez started boxing!

The first time Martinez tried to take a step up in class he got obliterated by Margarito, and then all but disappeared for nearly 9 years. The first time Pavlik stepped up in class he scored consecutive stoppage wins over Zuniga, McKart, Zertuche, Miranda, and Jermain Taylor. Sergio's big claims to fame consist of a controversial draw with Cintron, and a loss to Williams; both of whom are natural welterweights. Pavlik ran right over two guys who were the biggest and best middleweights in the world at fight time. The difference in experience and class between these two ought to be obvious.

Various threads on ESB, and many interent articles make it clear that the difference is not obvious to most people, so I hope to help a few people shed their blinders, and take a realistic look at the upcoming Pavlik/Martinez fight.

The first and most obvious thing is Martinez's general lack of sound fundamentals. For example he does not keep his hands up or place his hands in a proper defensive position when he is under attack and getting tagged. Pavlik will attack, and Martinez will get tagged.

On the same note, Martinez does occassioanally keep his hands up near his chin, but he often drops them while he is still in his opponents effective firing range, and gets hit. That is definitely not a good idea when Pavlik is your opponent.

The idea that such a highly regarded fighter makes the mistakes I've seen Martinez make is actually a bit shocking. His jab is often almost humorous. He frequently sticks his right hand out in the middle of nowhere, and just sort of waves it around aimlessly, and then he paws, pushes, and telegraphs his jab. This leaves Martinez with little means of keeping Pavlik off of him. It also presents one more opportunity for Pavlik to hit Martinez with right hand bombs.

And speaking of right hands, Martinez leaves himself open to hard right hands so much of the time one has to wonder if he even knows how to defend against a good right hand. If Cintron and Williams can blast Martinez with right hands, trust me, Pavlik will hit him more times with bigger right hands.

Martinez spends so much time show boating and taunting his opponents that I honestly believe that taking away his ability to do that would take him way out of his comfort zone. Pavlik will stay right in Sergio's grill, force him to fight, and force him to keep his hands up, or get blasted.

Martinez loves to rush in and throw a lead left. However, he tends to telegrah what he is doing, and he comes straight in. If he does that against Pavlik, he'll get caught with a really brutal jab/right-hand nearly everytime.

In my opinion Sergio's best punch is his right hook. However, he does not do a great job of setting it up. He usually just rushes in with his face hanging out, and throws. This is a very predictable pattern. If Martinez is coming in from your left side, he will throw a right hook. Look for KP to take one short step to his own right, throw a short overhand right followed by a left uppercut, and then take a step back and hit a stunned Martinez with a good 1-2. I hate to be so specific in this type of post, but I honestly believe this might be the show stopper.

Martinez spends a god awful amount of time circling the wrong way. For a guy who is proned to getting hit with right hands circling directly into a Pavlik lead right is probably a very bad idea.

Pavlik's flaws have been cussed and discussed on ESB ad nauseum. Most people seem to literally have blinders on when it comes to Martinez's flaws. They are many, and they are the kind of flaws that get fighters knocked the **** out by Kelly Pavlik. The round depends a great deal on how aggressive Martinez is. If he is as aggresive as he was with Cintron and/or Williams, he won't see the end of eight.
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Pavlik's average speed will make this fight hard for him.

Finn73 · Mar 22, 2010

There's no way that Martinez can go the distance against a guy with that kind of power. Pavlik is not Williams, he hits 10 times harder.

Hermit · Mar 22, 2010

ricardinho said: ↑

Pavlik's average speed will make this fight hard for him.
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What does Sergio bring to the table speed wise that Taylor didn't. At the time, Taylor had some of the fastest hands around. Now factor in height, reach and power. Look for Sergio to realize what he is up against early and turn into Rubio.

NoHomeJerome · Mar 22, 2010

Sergio aint no can, aint no Espino, aint no Rubio, aint no Gary Lockett.

We've yet to see Pavlik fight anyone half decent since his embarrassing defeat to a pensioner... how do we know he's not a ruined fighter? He could be all Jeff Lacy'd.

aceshigh · Mar 22, 2010

zoomie said: ↑

they've tried already twice!! would you ask a girl to dance after she has already turned you down twice? its obvious pavlik doesn't want to dance with PW...
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Booradley would be more likely to ask you to dance than a girl.

The twink loves ass crack & ball sack.

NeckBreaknAiken · Mar 22, 2010

aceshigh said: ↑

Booradley would be more likely to ask you to dance than a girl.

The twink loves ass crack & ball sack.
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And Homemade brew

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