Ken Norton (1975) vs. Mike 'Hercules' Weaver (1982) who wins this intriguing matchup?

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  1. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    We are going to imagine it is the 1975 Norton who thrashed Jerry Quarry against the 1982 Weaver who had two fights with Michael 'Dynamite' Dokes. In the first fight I believe, if not mistaken, that Weaver was jobbed and fight was stopped in the first round. If I remember correctly Weaver did not look hurt enough not to continue. Dokes was not a huge puncher, although he was very fast with his hands, and Weaver was a slow starter. In the second fight it was called a draw in a fight Weaver appeared to have won. Weaver could prove troublesome for Norton mainly because of his huge punch and sold chin. He had the great Larry Holmes in some distress in their 1979 title fight. Holmes' great determination and resiliency may have saved him in that fight. These to men had similar physiques. Very heavily muscled somewhat like bodybuilders. In other words - these guys did not look like Povetkin and Chambers the other night. You would be lucky to find 1 fat cell between them.

    The fight - Norton in the mid-70's only lost to the best. It is arguable that Weaver's left hook had almost as much concussive power as Shavers' rightcross or Cooney's lefthook. I guess I would lean towards Norton here but anything could happen. What do you guys out there think?

    Tentative pick - Norton by majority decision in 15 excellent rounds.
     
  2. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    The first fight between Weaver and Dokes occurred on December 10, 1982 in Las Vegas. Because the Mancini-Kim had just happened a month before the ref may have jumped the gun (did jump the gun actually) and the fight was halted in just over one minute into the first round. In May of 1983 they rematched again in Vegas. Weaver seemed to get the better of Dokes but the fight was declared a draw. The Diamond Bar, CA slugger went on to fight all through the 80's with much success. I think he may have fought into the 1990's as well.
     
  3. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ken, for me, was much more active, and employed a more energetic pace, Ken's versatility (When compared to Mike !) whould i suspect Allow him to deal with Mike's infrequent aggressive surges, Ken could work Mike at Range with his better Jab, to accrued points, inbetween the exciting but sporadic Flashpoints, where Weaver may achive Something, but i suspect that Whatever he acheives, Norton would come right back at him to negate any advantage...

    Norton would not Deem Mike to be a Foreman-Shavers Level destroyer, therefore would not be "Nervous" as Ken sometimes was with Premier Punchers,

    Alternatively, Weaver may reticent to Go all out Against Norton, due to being his former Sparring Partner, Old Habits and all,

    I think Ken can Stay Ahead on Points, Cope with Weavers Sparodic Attacks, and Perhaps Counter-attack Weaver, With Vigor, for a Late Stoppage, if not he should have accrued enough point from his Long Range work to win a Clear Decision, Weavers often Pedestrian Work-rate will not do him any Favours against Norton.
     
  4. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Obviously, if Norton was on his feet at the end, the decision would be his. However, Weaver carried late round one punch knockout power in both hands, as he showed in his back to back WBA HW Title wins over Tate and Coetzee. Over the 15 round distance, Hercules would catch Mandingo at some point, and once Kenny realized, "This guy can hurt me!," the end would be at hand.
     
  5. Bummy Davis

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    the Norton that trashed Quarry had a dead body in front of him, it was like the Ali that lost to Holmes, comepletely shot. Weaver had good power in both hands and a strong jab, I can see Norton causing a mix in the early rounds but Weaver would tag Norton within that mix and KO Ken, Mike could be hit and hurt also, but by the time he won a title he was boxing good enough, Weaver has too much 2 handed power for Ken
     
  6. CzarKyle

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    I'd say Norton has as much of a chance at winning as does Weaver. You're probably looking for a more definite answer. I'd lean in the direction of Norton. He'd probably keep Weaver's fistic bombs at bay for 15 rounds.

    The interesting thing about putting Weaver in this is that Norton was capable of getting KO'ed. The championship rounds would be a grueling affair for Norton if Weaver would be able to land with either hand. Weaver was also a very slow starter so Norton would be ahead on points at the time of the championship rounds.

    This would have been quite the match up to watch.
     
  7. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Thanks Area great post. Looking back, Norton was the more consistent worker up in that ring. Weaver fought in spurts but still could do major damage when he landed something. The Norton of 73' to 78' only lost to the cream of the crop (Foreman, Ali, Holmes). It is arguable that he won all three Ali fights and even maybe the Holmes fight as well. So this Norton beats any version of Weaver. By 1979, Ken was finished. Weaver would have beaten him then. But a prime Norton beats Weaver.
     
  8. bxrfan

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    Mike Weaver was the 80's version of Ken Norton, but I feel he was inferior (though a damn good fighter himself) to Norton. Ken Norton by UD in an exciting affair.
     
  9. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Norton edges Weaver.
     
  10. kenmore

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    This is an excellent matchup, and I give the edge to the 1975 version of Norton. I say this because Norton was an overall superior boxer and technician than was Weaver. In this bout, Norton would probably dominate the early and middle rounds, with Weaver coming on strong later in the bout. Ken would survive some shaky moments late in the bout in order to emerge as a clear cut decision winner.

    There is also the possibility that Norton might have won by knockout early, because Weaver was notorious for being a slow starter. If Ken could catch Weaver cold, he might bomb him out within four rounds. This is very iffy however.
     
  11. unitas

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    very interesting matchup. norton was faster......better technical......just more talented. but weaver was tougher and could end this with one shot.

    tough. the odds would be on norton...........but for some reason i think weaver would suddenly catch him, hurt him, follow up and that would be all.
     
  12. markedwardscott

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  13. mr. magoo

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    If we were to really take both of these guys at their best, then I'd say its a 1974 Norton who just beat Ali, before he went and got KO'd by Foreman vs Weaver of 1980. Hercules had taken a long leave of abscence from the sport between 1981-82, due to injuries and may never have fully regained his momentum. That said, if it were these versions of Weaver vs Norton, then the legacy fighter which is Norton, might have the edge in terms of being favoured. Stylistically though, this is a dangerous fight for Ken. Weaver was a big puncher in his prime, who wasn't afraid to take multiple shots just to get off one good punch, and Norton has a rather bad track record against guys who could really bang. I'd give the nod to Ken, but wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Hercules launched something deadly leaving Norton on the canvas.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Weaver didn't have the best chin either. Unless Weaver lands a bomb, I think Norton wins on points or does enough to get a late round TKO.

    Weaver didn't have much defense to him.
     
  15. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Excellent points! Norton could always be one Weaver punch away from suffering a knockout. Guys like Frank Bruno, Bonecrusher Smith, Tim Witherspoon, and Weaver were all big punchers who could definitely get Norton out of there if they got him in trouble.