Ken Norton: "my normal weight is 225-230 and i train down to 206"

Possibly more if he trained like a modern fighter. But since he didn't, his size is what it is.

 

Muhammad Ali 212 lbs beat Ken Norton 205 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Ken_Norton_(2nd_meeting)

 

Partly.

Losing 10-15 pounds of what is already lean, functional weight is unlikely to make him stronger. Nor would starving or dehydrating himself.

 

Fixed it

 

If Fury had a good trainer who cracked the whip on his lazy training habits he'd be 275lb of muscle instead of flab ...

 

But realistically he wouldn't be 205 pounds in modern era and BCS8 was trying to imply Norton was a small Heavyweight "soaking wet at 205 pounds" which is not true.

Norton was a well built Heavyweight naturally bigger than someone like Usyk with a longer reach and more power.

 

I was implying this:

Muhammad Ali 212 lbs beat Ken Norton 205 lbs by SD in round 12 of 12

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Muhammad_Ali_vs._Ken_Norton_(2nd_meeting)

 

If Ali was 200 pounds heavier, he would have worse stamina. I propose we use Obese Ali for all future head to head matchups.

 

Shucks, that is probably the origin of his chin problems. That will leave you fragile.

 

That is a fair interpretation, IMO.

That said, I don't think that's what @BCS8 actually meant. Nor did I interpret it that way at the time. It sounded more like it was just rhetorical hyperbole of the sort that we often see in Classic fistfights.

 

I don't think Classic is ready for Obese Ali vs Dustin Nichols "The Thunder Down Under" showdown

 

The hero Classic doesn't want, but needs.

 

Possibly you have put your finger on it. There's a fair bit of evidence I believe that one of the reasons why Foreman's chin improved so much in the 90s is because he stopped dehydrating himself and sapping his stamina like that.

 

That would probably require a horse dosages of Tren, but oh boy would that be a sight to behold. Might rival the legendary calf-lifting, jeep-pulling old timer strength.

 

We just seem to clash on alot of subjects TBH it is what it is but he just seems to aggravate me and I'm just being honest but it is what it is personality sometimes clash.