Ken Norton on great jabs......

JohnThomas1 · Feb 16, 2008

Robbi said:

Talking about Ali and Norton, I was thinking about getting their 2nd and 3rd fights.

I'm currently trading with a guy who has thousands and thousands of fights. He actually has his own site, and doesn't have Ali v Quarry I or Lyle. I have them both.
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Worth having for historical relevance i'd say.

JohnThomas1 · Feb 16, 2008

ChrisPontius said:

It's a shame actually. Foreman seemed to have the potential for a pretty authoritative jab - and realised that potential, or whatever was left of it, during his comeback. If Saddler focused a bit more on developing and utilizing his jab, he would've given Ali a much better fight. He could've taken a breather while working the jab from the distance a bit, for example.

I feel exactly the same way about Cooney. In the Young fight, he often got a little short with the jab (though Young is hard to hit), but it looked like he could've been a good jabber... especially with his height. He could've used some electrician called E. Steward to work on that.

Then in the fight of his life against Holmes, he completely abandonded whatever jab he had, and tried for the knockout. Not that he was ever going to outbox Holmes, but it would've given Holmes more to think about and of course, the jab sets power punches up.

Agreed.
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Good comments. Foreman actually was a fine boxer in the ams and at the start of his pro career. Many a boxer has stunted themselves development wise after finding massive power in their mitts. Gerrie Coetzee was a fine stand up boxer pre hand operation. Wilfredo Gomez was brilliant defensively in his earlier days. Almost untouchable when he wanted to be. Edwin Rosario abandoned his slick and improving counterpunching skills after getting power happy.

And who could forget Super Greg Page abandoning his incredible speed and reflex to later fight guys like Bey and Coetzee flatfooted!!! :smoke

Bill1234 · Feb 16, 2008

JohnThomas1 said:

Bill - i only posted a single question and answer.

I totally disagree. Norton had been flat for some time. He barely if at all beat Jimmy Young the fight before.

Norton was past it, but stylistically brilliantly suited to fighting Holmes.
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I understand that, but what I'm saying is that I'm disapointed they didn't go more into the jabs and what not.

Norton was past it yes, but fighters can put on performances like they are in their primes when they are past it.

JohnThomas1 · Feb 16, 2008

Bill1234 said:

I understand that, but what I'm saying is that I'm disapointed they didn't go more into the jabs and what not.

Norton was past it yes, but fighters can put on performances like they are in their primes when they are past it.
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Yeah Norton didn't talk at all about the Holmes jab did he.

On a side note Norton named Shavers the hardest hitter, but he wasn't exactly convincing or sure. After extra thought he based it on him not getting up at all vs Shavers.

ChrisPontius · Feb 16, 2008

JohnThomas1 said:

Good comments. Foreman actually was a fine boxer in the ams and at the start of his pro career. Many a boxer has stunted themselves development wise after finding massive power in their mitts. Gerrie Coetzee was a fine stand up boxer pre hand operation. Wilfredo Gomez was brilliant defensively in his earlier days. Almost untouchable when he wanted to be. Edwin Rosario abandoned his slick and improving counterpunching skills after getting power happy.

And who could forget Super Greg Page abandoning his incredible speed and reflex to later fight guys like Bey and Coetzee flatfooted!!! :smoke
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All i can say is... i'm glad you still managed to get your weekly mention of Super Greg.

I don't know if you follow current boxing, but any picks on Taylor/Pavlik II or Lyakhovic/Valuev tonight?

Bill1234 · Feb 16, 2008

JohnThomas1 said:

Yeah Norton didn't talk at all about the Holmes jab did he.

On a side note Norton named Shavers the hardest hitter, but he wasn't exactly convincing or sure. After extra thought he based it on him not getting up at all vs Shavers.
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Norton only talked about Ali's jab, I would have liked it if he talked about all of them, and the differences.

JohnThomas1 · Feb 16, 2008

ChrisPontius said:

All i can say is... i'm glad you still managed to get your weekly mention of Super Greg.

I don't know if you follow current boxing, but any picks on Taylor/Pavlik II or Lyakhovic/Valuev tonight?
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I was getting quite jumpy per the Super Greg mention, time was at a premium! However he was never far from the forefront

Hmmmm, a bit behind the times but i see Pavlik stopping Taylor again. I'd like to see Taylor win but would have to stake my money on Pav.

Longhhorn71 · Feb 16, 2008

ChrisPontius said:

It's a shame actually. Foreman seemed to have the potential for a pretty authoritative jab - and realised that potential, or whatever was left of it, during his comeback. If Saddler focused a bit more on developing and utilizing his jab, he would've given Ali a much better fight. He could've taken a breather while working the jab from the distance a bit, for example.

I feel exactly the same way about Cooney. In the Young fight, he often got a little short with the jab (though Young is hard to hit), but it looked like he could've been a good jabber... especially with his height. He could've used some electrician called E. Steward to work on that.

Then in the fight of his life against Holmes, he completely abandonded whatever jab he had, and tried for the knockout. Not that he was ever going to outbox Holmes, but it would've given Holmes more to think about and of course, the jab sets power punches up.

Agreed.
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Foreman used the jab in the Norton fight some.....shooting it at Norton's heart and knocking Kenny backwards.

Chris is right. Foreman behind the jab against Ali would have been much more formidable..why he didn't use it is baffling.

ThinBlack · Apr 3, 2012

Maybe Ken has some beef against Larry, and did not mention him out of spite.

Legend X · Apr 3, 2012

It's usually the guy they have a win or wins against that they say is the best.

And, yeah, Norton and Holmes have never liked each other.

Stevie G · Apr 3, 2012

JohnThomas1 said: ↑

KO: You also exchanged jabs with three of the greatest jabbers of all time: Ali, Foreman, and Holmes.
Who was the best?

KN: Ali. His jab was quick and it was deceptive. Ali was Ali. His combinations were crisp and sharp. His jab was crisp and sharp. His right hand lead wasn't really powerful, but it was very accurate. There will never be another Ali.
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I think this was the same interview that Ken named Ali as the strongest ever man he fought,as well. He said that when he punched Ali in the body,it was like hitting cement.

red cobra · Apr 3, 2012

Stevie G said: ↑

I think this was the same interview that Ken named Ali as the strongest ever man he fought,as well. He said that when he punched Ali in the body,it was like hitting cement.
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Yeah, another case of "the guy I did so well against is the strongest.." and not that 90 lb weaking that manhandled him named George Foreman...what bull****.

SenorRamirez · Apr 3, 2012

Chuck Wepner say that Sonny Liston have the best and hardest jab out every opponent

red cobra · Apr 3, 2012

SenorRamirez said: ↑

Chuck Wepner say that Sonny Liston have the best and hardest jab out every opponent
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He's probably right. Norman Mailer once said that Lison's jab was " like a 2x4 coming at you from a basement window"..ol' Norman had a way with words didn't he?

Stevie G · Apr 4, 2012

red cobra said: ↑

Yeah, another case of "the guy I did so well against is the strongest.." and not that 90 lb weaking that manhandled him named George Foreman...what bull****.
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I see what you mean,Cobra. Ken was probably boosting his own kudos in this - "The man who could n't figure out my style totally whipped the man who totally whipped me" kind of thing.

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