Ken Norton was ripped!

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  1. Clean & Crisp

    Clean & Crisp RockIsTheThing-LifeHasNoMeaning&MoneyIsKing Full Member

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  2. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    With same day weigh in it is really really unlikely that anyone is rehydrating and adding 13 pounds. You weigh in at noon and fight at 9, you don't sit down and stuff yourself because nobody wants to get in the ring like that.
    A guy would weigh in and then eat a meal, then rest and relax while he digested the meal, move his bowels.
     
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  3. salsanchezfan

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    I read a KO Magazine interview with him where he said the same thing. I believe the same is true of Mike Weaver, at least until the later stages of his career.
     
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  4. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What? Louis weighed 213 against Marciano.
    And yes, at the moment of these picks Foreman probably weighed 230 or even a little more look at his arms and legs
     
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  5. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No benefit.
    Saddler was just an idiot. He made him cut water even and a few hours before his fight he would get his first sip of water.

    George described it back when he claimed someone messed with his water in Zaire
     
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    Giving Raquel Welch the greatest line of her cinematic career... "Take Me, Mandingo Buck!"
     
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  7. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Lucky guy.
     
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  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You think Ken's ripped, check out prime Mike Weaver. Yow.
     
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    I don't think Racquel Welch was in it but Susan George certainly was.
    Pam Grier turned up in the sequel Drum, I believe.
     
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  11. Sting like a bean

    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I was thinking of his fight with Ezzard Charles.
     
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  12. Glass City Cobra

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    The science behind how this would work and why is beyond me. If you dig hard enough you will actually find bits and pieces explaining the "dry out" process but very little beyond that.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/com...amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=comments_view_all

    "When he gets in the ring, he ain't gonna have time to think," Foreman said. "He don't know what I'm gonna do, but he can pretty well guess. Wherever he goes, there's gonna be George Foreman, right in his face. Somebody got to pay for all that nice weight I lost. I like to eat. I'm prettier slim but I'm happier fat. If I can ever afford it, I'm gonna eat all I want and I'm gonna be very fat. He gonna have to pay me for making me stay slim."

    This direct quote from Foreman implies that he went through some hellish training in order to get down to 224. Ive had to cut weight before, and foremans highly irritated tone of voice does not suggest it was a mere 3-5 lbs he had to lose. I believe he said in his biography that when he met Joe Louis, the former champion told him running 5 miles a day was not enough and that he should increase it to 7-8 or more.

    Once again, don't ask me why his insane trainers made him do it. In theory yes, a lighter fighter SHOULD be a faster fighter and will have more endurance but starving a guy at heavyweight where there is no weight limit to the point where he can't wait to get in the ring to "make a guy pay" seems like it could be counter intuitive. Maybe they were worried about Norton's stamina and work rate? Maybe this explains why he was so surly and aggressive all the time?

    I don't know exactly how much he rehydrated to either. Probably not 230, but it's bizarre eithwr way. Considering he had been around that weight when he was much younger at 19, his confused body was probably doing everything it could to maintain that muscle as he was doing all that boxing training and growing into his physical prime.

    Considering Louis is 2-3 inches shorter with a less robust frame and was in great shape and ripped in the 190 range but looked pretty soft over 205 with flab, i find that borderline impossoble.
     
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  13. he grant

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    Absolutely .. Foreman looks much bigger and much stronger and it played out that way too ..
     
  14. Sting like a bean

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    I'd bet the reasoning behind it (assuming it was actually done) was some kind of folk pseudoscience that considered it analogous to blood doping (which of course does work).

    I remember in the opening rounds of the Jones-Ruiz fight, Larry Merchant claims he has it on good authority that Jones had rehyrdrated since the weigh-in and weighed 199, not 193. Why any heavyweight would do this (let alone one who had just spent over a year packing on as much weight as possible) is not exactly clear.
     
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  15. Sting like a bean

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    They were what? Pam Grier and Raquel Welch were both absolutely smoking hot in their "primes". Definitely all time greats.