Ken Norton would easily defeat the bum Klitschkos

Ken Norton had a field day against outside boxers all the time. He lost to big punchers, but the Klitschkos are not one punch KO artists.

They have high KO ratios because they jab jab jab right hand over the course of several rounds against bums with 6 round conditioning. They could not KO Haye (stopped at Cruiser), Chisora (D-class heavyweight stopped by cruiser Haye), or 38 year old past prime worst shape of his life Lennox Lewis (not a steel chin by heavyweight standards even in his prime). Instead, Vitali got TKOd against this worst condition Lennox in a fight that was clearly turning in Lennox's favor.

Larry Holmes is a much better outside boxer than either Klitschko, has a much better stronger and faster jab, and is faster in general than either Klitschko. He is also much better technically as an all around outside (or inside) boxer. Not only is he better technically, but he also (in his prime) has the ability to adjust when technical fighting doesnt work. Vitali failed to do so against 38 year old shot past prime worst condition Lennox and Wladimir failed all three times against Brewster Sanders Purrity. He also went life and death to survive C-class Sam Peter's "murderous" assault.

Despite Holmes being vastly superior in every aspect of boxing to the Klitschkos, it took him a very tough effort to beat a Ken Norton slightly past his prime. Holmes is hardly a feather fist, and he still couldn't stop Ken Norton. No way would the Klitschkos be able to do that if they couldn't stop Haye Chisora or 38 year old Lennox (instead getting stopped in return). Ken Norton got knocked out by Cooney, Foreman, and Shavers, Shavers and Foreman possibly being the hardest and second hardest hitting heavyweights of all time. Cooney perhaps top 15. Garcia loss was when Ken only had 15 fights, so not much to draw from that.

Ken Norton against the much more elusive Muhammad Ali, even post suspension, was able to cut off the ring and easily outbox Ali in 2 of 3 fights. Even when Ali defeated a prime Ken Norton in the rematch, it took him an extremely hard effort to do so. Ali is much more elusive than the Klitschkos, is faster, has a better jab, and is a much better outside boxer than either of them. He is also much better than either Klitschko at making adjustments. When the Klitschkos have to adjust (Lennox, Brewster, Sanders, Purity) they are unable to do so.

Ken Norton would cut off the ring against both Ukrainian bums, outbox them from the outside, his awkward jab would easily give the Klitschkos fits if Lennox's slow plodding past prime 38 year old self could crush Vitali on the inside and batter his face with a standard jab.

Angelo Dundee on Ali vs Norton - Muhammad just could not time Ken's jab. and can anyone expect the Klitschkos to do so? Nope

Ken Norton would be on the outside telling Wladimir

"Those fake paper WBO partial defenses of the title don't make you close to the great Joe Louis or Larry Holmes. When I use the bathroom I will clean myself using your fake 16 toilet paper defenses accumulated against bums and nobodies like Peter and Byrd."

Then with Vitali he will say

"How can you call yourself heavyweight champion when you couldn't even beat the last legit heavyweight champion? You beat all these bums and somehow you are on Lennox Lewis' level? Just don't quit on me with your shoulder injury or we'll have another TKO6.

Try being like Evander Holyfield and at least fight to the end with your injury. You don't even have a heart condition to deal with like he did. And unlike you he was actually fighting a difficult opponent"

End of discussion. Klitschkos are not top 100 p4p all time and not top 20 heavyweights all time because they never beat one historically elite or great fighter.

 

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1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Holmes
4. Marciano - overrated like the Klitschkos, but his weak wins are not as weak as the Klitschkos
5. Dempsey
6. Jack Johnson
7. Harry Wills
8. Sam Langford
9. Mike Tyson
10. Sonny Liston
11. Ezzard Charles
12. Jersey Joe Walcott - his robbery against Joe Louis is more than enough to surpass Klitschkos
13. George Foreman
14. Evander Holyfield
15. Riddick Bowe - his only good wins are Holyfield, but that is by far more than enough to surpass Sam Peter as your best win
16. Gene Tunney
17. Joe Frazier
18. Lennox Lewis - he destroyed the better of the Klitschkos despite being in the worst moment of his career at 38 yrs old, so obvious choice
19. Ken Norton - his wins over Ali and Young surpass anything the Klitschkos did, despite his multiple KO losses
20. Sam Mcvey - wins over Langford, Jeanette, and Wills surpass anything of the Klitschkos
21. Archie Moore
22. Jimmy Young - robbery vs Ali and only guy besides Ali to beat a 70s Foreman. Most of the guys he lost to were top level, unlike the Klitcshko bums' losses

 

See prime Holmes vs slightly past prime Ken Norton

Not possible for Wladimir

 

this is in terms of rankings. heavyweights several years ago were obviously smaller. Pound for pound those heavyweights are unquestionably more accomplished and skilled.

with the same skills and same size, both Ukrainian bums lose to all aforementioned fighters

also, Tyson, Holyfield, Young, and Joe Frazier would definitely crush either Klitschko.

prime Tyson was an expert at sliipping jabs (especially slow ones) and killing the body

Holyfield easily handled the superior jab of Riddick Bowe in the rematch despite Bowe being much bigger. also, Bowe was a better inside AND outside fighter than either Klitschko. no problem for Evander. Also took shots from old Foreman and old Holmes, who despite being old still had great jabs, were much bigger than Evander, and still very skilled. Holyfield also has the intangibles to adjust and dig deep when technique is not working unlike the Klitschkos.

Jimmy Young made a living of outboxing guys like Ali and Foreman - Ali is more elusive, better jab than Klitschkos, and better outsie boxer. Foreman hits much harder, is better at cutting off the ring, the same quality of jab as Klitschkos and Young had no problem

Joe Frazier - dropped steel chin elusive Ali, a much better outside boxer than slow plodding Klitschkos. Ali had problems connecting with his vastly superior jab than the Klitsckos.

Klitschkos stand no chance against anyone who knows how to fight against a jabber

Tua is one of the most limited boxers of all time. terrible example. size matters, but not to the degree you think