Ken Norton Would Get Slept by Povetkin in Every Universe

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by George Crowcroft, May 24, 2025 at 4:46 PM.


Who wins and how?

  1. Norton loses by KO

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    42.1%

  2. Norton loses on PTS

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    5.3%

  3. Povetkin wins on PTS

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    0.0%

  4. Povetkin wins by KO

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    52.6%
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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Norton is overrated, there I said it. He's lucky to have been around at the time of the two best heavyweight greats, with the worst left hooks - and the best, but no fight emerged with Joe to prove me right.

    His cross guard can be awkward, and leaves him open for the left hook. This is also the case when he reaches out with his right hand to parry the jab. In his short fights with Foreman, Shavers and Cooney; he is knocked down, out or badly hurt by the left hook and even while older, it's a weakness he never seemed to fix.

    Combined with his necessity to push forward, his less than stellar chin and tendancy to mix it up when it's in no way a good idea, is why I think it's likely that Alexander Povetkin would beat Ken Norton 10/10.

    A universal left hook KO.
     
    George Crowcroft, May 24, 2025 at 4:46 PM
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  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    PEDs or no PEDs?
     
    catchwtboxing, May 24, 2025 at 4:50 PM
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  3. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’ve been secretly agreeing with this in the dark corners of the internet.

    Welcome to the resistance.
     
    Ioakeim Tzortzakis, May 24, 2025 at 4:50 PM
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  4. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Give them both Peds, the truth does not care about hormones.
     
    George Crowcroft, May 24, 2025 at 4:54 PM
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  5. cross_trainer

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  6. Saintpat

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    Povetkin would fail a PED test in every universe, too. Dude was juiced to the gills and once he got popped for a second time his career nosedived because he didn’t have Ivan Drago-level gear running through his veins.

    When he held the WBA regular title, he bravely defended against Andrzej Wawryk (or whatever his name was, a complete and total nobody) plus 40-year-old Cedric Boswell (a never-was), 40-something Hasim Rahman (a has-been) and barely beat Marco Huck (a cruiser) in a fight he arguably lost.

    Then he fought Wlad, and the only round he ‘won’ was a 9-9 because Klitschko was deducted a point. Everybody talks about Wlad holding, but Povetkin waded in, got close enough to punch and then thrust both arms under Wlad’s armpits repeatedly. He never even TRIED to work. He got beat by like 15 points on all cards with a point deduction against his opponent.

    I will never, ever understand the fascination with this roided-up poser. Absolute fraud.
     
    Saintpat, May 24, 2025 at 4:56 PM
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  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Hard to say definitively whether there was a clean Povetkin to begin with, or whether there was just an undetected PED Povetkin.

    Probably best to just use whatever fight you think he was good in.

    Fair comment, but: No PED tests in the 70s, where this time machine fight is presumably being held.
     
    cross_trainer, May 24, 2025 at 4:56 PM
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  8. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Been saying the same thing for awhile and getting flack for it from certain people......... Glad I'm not the only one who agrees
     
    themaster458, May 24, 2025 at 4:59 PM
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  9. PRW94

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    Jerry Quarry beat more good opponents than Povetkin …
     
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  10. catchwtboxing

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    One did them and one didn't.
     
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  11. Saintpat

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    Why are we presumably taking Povetkin back in time instead of taking Norton forward?

    As noted, there’s probably never been a clean version of Povetkin except near the end when he was being used more or less as a punching back by top-level guys with Eddie Hearn getting him a win here or there to keep him viable.
     
    Saintpat, May 24, 2025 at 5:01 PM
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  12. cross_trainer

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    Because the 70s are a classy, fun venue for us to watch the rumble. Do you really want to watch Norton fight Povetkin under antiseptic blue and white lights in a Universum promotion, in excessively high definition?
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

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    One of them was tested and the other wasn't. I won't outright accuse Norton with no proof, but he was 220, didn't lift weights and did an endurance sport. He's also among the first guys to look and be conditioned like that, just shortly after PEDs became widespread.

    Not a coincidence in my opinion.
     
    George Crowcroft, May 24, 2025 at 5:07 PM
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    Now what do you think of George Foreman? :uptosomething:
     
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