Ken Norton Would Get Slept by Povetkin in Every Universe

IIRC, I don't think he was able to keep the Ron Stander fight a mobile jab sniping clinic, despite initial attempts in that direction. He beat him in closer exchanges.

 

Now post a video of Povetkin slipping the 80-inch reaches and scoring KOs over Wach, Donald, Firtha, Hughie, Joshua, Wlad, etc.

Hell, David Price nearly ended his night, and Price's chin was horrible.

Povetkin was banned and it was recommended 12 of his wins be removed for failed drug tests ... and people are still trying to prop him up around here and make him something he NEVER WAS, even when he was the most juiced fighter on the planet.

 

Norton's jab was definitely good, and you may well be right that he causes Povetkin problems with it.

I guess what I'd wonder more about is the other half of the equation. Yes, Norton has a jab that would be a good long range weapon if he can keep Povetkin at a distance. But when did Norton consistently fight a mobile, keep-away sort of fight? His jab will do damage for those periods when Povetkin is coming into range, but I don't remember Norton staying at a distance for long stretches successfully like Klitschko. He tried it at times, but it didn't last. (For example: He kept away from Stander for a time, but that didn't last the whole fight. Norton wasn't Ali, doing the hit and run game.)

 

I see, so, basically, Povetkin, who is world renowned as one of the great jabbers in boxing history, will have his famous outside game based on his jab* disrupted by Norton's jab.

Meanwhile in real life

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Is this the fight plan that you think Norton ought to follow? I like it when Wach traded a jab for a left hook, a right hook and an uppercut.

*his legendary jab

 

Um, what?

When has Povetkin and his 75-inch reach ever been considered one the greatest jabbers in history?

I have yet to find that "world."

 

Well done, here is your special prize are you caught up with the rest of us yet?

 

I think he's being sarcastic. The argument seems to be:

Norton's jab was very relevant against Ali and Holmes, because both of those guys had amazing jabs, and relied on them for their outside games. Norton's jab disrupted that. By contrast, Povetkin is not a long range outside game jabber, and so Norton's own jab isn't going to be as disruptive as it was against Ali or Holmes.

@BCS8, is that about right?

 

Correct

 

Here's Povetkin dealing with an 81 inch jab

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Whyte had Povetkin down three or four times in their two fights, because Povetkin can't move his head.

And Whyte telegraphs everything (EVERYTHING) and is sloppy as hell (unlike Norton), but he has long arms and Povetkin ate just about everything regardless.

And Norton could crush you with overhand rights from the outside and demolish you with the left hook inside (like he did against Randy Stephens).

Norton's style is completely wrong for Povetkin. And Norton beat better guys than Povetkin. I can't say the same for Alexander.

 

Because obviously a fight where Povetkin is 40 is a great indicator of his actual level......

Point of the matter is Norton has never shown an ability to keep fighters at range at the end of his punches, every time a fighter wanted to get inside they succeeded against him. Povetkin has shown an ability to close the gap and get inside against most of the fighters he fought including guys who are much better at keeping their opponents at range then Norton. So then it becomes a matter of power and Povetkin has more then enough power to knockout Norton who has never shown a great chin while Povetkin has. Overall there's plenty of evidence that Povetkin can deal with Norton, there's almost none that Norton can deal with Povetkin, hence why you have to make up fanfiction to justify it.

 

Devil's advocate here: I notice that Povetkin's frequent response to the opponent's jab is to back up. Which might be an issue if the plan is to get inside Norton's. Kenny may not need world class skills at keeping people at the end of his jab if Povetkin insists on keeping himself there.

Although this fight may be an aberration. Or I could be missing something.

 

Orrrr .... maybe because that was the most shot version of Povetkin ever seen?

Am I allowed to talk about how Ali couldn't handle Berbick's sublime boxing skills now?

 

No you're not missing anything. Backing up from a jab is a typically EE movement as far as I can tell. Povetkin's plan is to time the jab and do that kind of trademark dipping rush that he does to close the distance fast. Once he is close it's bombs away with hooks and uppercuts.

 

I am missing the Harry Greb discussions seems a bit quiet in recent weeks.