Ken Norton Would Get Slept by Povetkin in Every Universe

Because I personally don’t rate Norton highly? Could you tell me who did Norton beat that is proof he stylistically could overcome someone like Povetkin? I think he’s hasn’t got the best career to argue that how would you argue this fight? (No just UNO reversing with “who did AP beat like KN!) You’ve got the knowledge and I like to learn from smart people which I think you are.

 

So you’re saying ‘he used steroids’ while trying to also say ‘but I’m not saying he used steroids.’ Which is it?

And yes we saw a ton of well-built fighters before Ken Norton. Not so many heavyweights but that doesn’t mean he used PEDs. You’re grasping at straws.

You know how they DON’T test for steroids at the Olympics and in other athletic competitions? They don’t have guys walk in with shorts and no shirt and say ‘well he gots muscles so he must be on the gear.’ Hell, Povetkin was no bodybuilder and we KNOW he was on the gear.

Steroids =/= muscles. You could load up on any PED you want to the gills every day and do whatever it is you do now every day and you would not start looking like Hercules.

You just want to throw shade at someone who has absolutely no history that hints at use of PEDs because for some reason you want to equate him with absolutely 100% no doubt drug abuser Povetkin and say ‘see, they were both drug cheats’ when there is no evidence whatsoever that this is the case.

 

Ken Norton beat Jerry Quarry for one, who is stylistically way more similar to Povetkin than anyone Povetkin beat is similar to Norton.

 

I think Quarry was shot as do many others so I don’t think much of it. I’d love to hear your breakdown of the bout?

 

What do Portable Electronic Devices have to do with anything? - though we do know that AJ uses them.

 

It’s a valid argument why the best result Povetkin gets out of this is a no contest if the failed test doesn’t come back until afterward.

I haven’t seen a whole helluva a lot of boxers built like Ken Norton in history — going well into the modern era where the Povetkins of the world are on gear.

Primo Carnera had a ridiculous physique. Go look up images of him. That’s before steroids. So it he “suspicious”? Just google ‘1940s bodybuilders’ who are pre-gear and you can see fantastic musculature. So no, there’s absolutely nothing suspicious about Norton having muscles. That’s something in your head that says ‘muscles = steroids’ and it’s absolutely unsupportable — yet you want to smear Norton with allegations behind which there is no evidence, no fact, no hint. That’s not a good look.

My point is Povetkin is a false construct. He has an unimpressive resume and that’s with the advantage of being on the Ivan Drago diet, so to speak. Yet people seem to act like he was a big deal. There’s no substance to him whatsoever, although there are “substances” for sure.

 

Well, Norton claimed he didn’t lift let alone take PEDs.

While commentating a Shavers fight, Jerry Quarry said that Earnie was one of the few guys that he knew who lifted - going against popular training advice. Chuvalo lifted also, of course.

Norton did lift post boxing career, lamenting that he wished he done so during his career.

Norton was cut, naturally blessed. He simply didn’t carry the muscle volume indicative of lifting and/or juicing.

Norton used to starve himself, - there was plenty of scope to accomodate natural weight gain to better fit his frame. Natural weight gain will add size to biceps, etc.

 

Of Norton-Quarry? Nah, I’m not visiting that tonight.

I think Ken Norton dusts the canvas with a Povetkin bereft of steroids. Hell, he probably beats up Mr Gear at his Ivan Drago-est, since Wlad rag-dolled him like he was nothing.

Ken is stronger mentally. He’s stronger physically. I think he’s more explosive in his punching power and he’s damned sure a better body puncher. I don’t see this as competitive because I’ve never seen Povetkin handle anyone on Norton’s level, so I have no reason to believe he can.

Norton KO 5.

The guys who KO’d Ken with one exception when he got caught early in his career (avenged) were bona fide all-time punchers. Povetkin is more of a thudding, plodding guy. Norton handled plodders like Duane Bobick and Povetkin is a bigger, ‘roided Bobick.

 

Sam McVey, as implied by his definition and muscle volume (at least 16” arms as at the time) was obviously juiced to the gills. Naughty Sam.

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So you think Norton just goes right at Povetkin in a straight line and KO’s him in five? That he’s not better then Bobick?

 

Look at my man in my avatar - Jack’s arms were pretty jacked - though Jack was a lil bit on the fat side for said pic -pic taken I think as at the time of the Willard fight - but there are younger, more svelte pics of Johnson depicting a very well muscled guy.

 

Quarry was past his best but he did have some moments early in the fight when he didn’t look anything like a completely shot duck - and it’s not as if Norton didn’t pound him to bring him undone or ultimately dust him off in impressive fashion at any rate.

Norton could only beat the guy in front of him and there wasn’t anything to ask of him otherwise. He destroyed Jerry.

Of course the Quarry-Norton sparring story will get dusted off and proffered for the umpteenth time - but of course, true or not, sparring stories don’t count.

And while Norton’s vanquished opposition is brought into question for this, that and the other reason, there is no equal and opposite consideration afforded to Norton during his own, “clearly past his best”, days.

 

How in the world did you get from what I posted?

I think Ken would hold his ground (Wlad did) and jab his face off coming in. He’d catch Povetkin clean and beat him up to the body when they got close.

Eventually he chops him down.

I think stylistically, Povetkin is a plodder like Bobick. Who’s better? Well, Duane has the best amateur win (over Teofilo Stevenson) for sure. His pro career is fairly unremarkable, but then again, so is Povetkins if you really look at it — especially if you control for the fact that Alexander was juiced to the gills.

I mean, you win a ‘title’ and you defend against Boswell, half-dead Rahman, a cruiser (in a life-and-death fight) and a guy from Sweden (or was it Switzerland) who nobody ever heard of before or since … then get completely shut out and dominated and manhandled when you fight Wlad for the ‘real’ title — you tell me what’s impressive about that.

I think Povetkin equates a bit more to Quarry than Bobick, but all three are rather plodding. Quarry was more game, more determined, had a better offense than Alexander and certainly fought better opposition. If Huck gave Povetkin that kind of fight, then surely Quarry would do better.

I find nothing remarkable whatsoever about Povetkin aside from the adulation he gets on this forum relative to his meager resume and accomplishments. Well, that’s not exactly true — he took a remarkable amount of PEDs.

 

Well Povetkin couldn't put to sleep CW Marco Huck who fights like a caveman and is quite hittable. It was Huck who was close to put Povetkin on the canvas. And Norton is clearly better and far more skilled boxer than Marco Huck.