Ken Norton Would Get Slept by Povetkin in Every Universe

So on the one hand, Povetkin is bigger and stronger than Norton thus he’d overwhelm him.

On the other hand, you say Huck (who was a cruiser for his entire career save this one fight, so without debate a naturally smaller man) is about the same size as Norton and he went life-and-death with Povetkin.

Which is is?

Yes, Norton got caught while still in the learning stages of his career. He corrected and dominated in a rematch. Perhaps Huck, who definitely hurt Alexander, does the same if he rematches Povetkin? We’ll never know — there’s always a lot of ‘so-and-so ducked so-and-so because he didn’t give them a rematch after a close/iffy win,’ but no one questions Povetkin ducking Huck after their first fight and instead fighting Dionne Warwick or whatever the Swede/Swiss guy’s name was? Hmmm.

Povetkin also proved chinny when he started facing world-class opposition. Most of his earlier ‘step ups’ were against washed old men at the end of their careers (Rahman, Byrd) or guys who weren’t physical threats as far as power (Byrd, who fought at light heavyweight seven months later, Chambers, cruiser Huck).

I don’t think Norton nor Povetkin were super big punchers, nor did either have concrete chins. I just don’t see Povetkin being able to do the things that proved to be Norton’s kryptonite like forcing him to the back foot and ropes nor throwing/landing haymakers with nuclear force. I do see Norton being better and obviously a more proven heavyweight than Huck and thus beating Alexander up far worse than the cruiser did.

 

Povetkin didn't suffer his first stoppage loss until he was 39 years old. Little evidence of him being chinny.

 

How is he rated?

 

And Povetkin had a bad night out against a guy that would give Norton himself all he could handle.

Or perhaps Norton, if he hadn't fought the most washed up version of Garcia possible, would have been knocked out again?

If you are talking about the Wlad fight, well, any fighter might be "chinny" against one of the hardest punching heavyweights in history. Meanwhile Norton proved "chinny" against a fighter who was well within the cruiserweight limit

Povetkin has a KO% of 70% against a much larger sized field of competition than Norton ever faced. I'd say he hits pretty damn hard. More importantly, his chin is likewise tested against a field of much bigger men than Norton faced.

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I see Povetkin as being so many levels higher than Garcia that Jorge would need an extensible ladder to get there. Therefore Povetkin disintegrates Norton.

 

I love how these 2 things are treated interchangeably.

You mean this hook?

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Norton lost to Shavers & Cooney when he no longer had the legs to keep fights in the center of the ring & just backed to the ropes almost straightaway. I wouldn't doubt that Povetkin could beat that version of Norton, but the Norton that boxed w/ Ali & sharpshooted Quarry & Stander is an entirely different matter.

Huck was a gutsy but overall rudimentary fighter w/o any spectacular talents. Norton proved he was still capable of beating fighters like that even when he was on his last legs. There's nothing in either fighter's career to suggest that Huck is the kind of fighter "that would give Norton himself all he could handle" (not even Norton's loss to Garcia, who was a good technician w/ fast hands & explosive power).

 

I see Ali being so many levels higher than Povetkin that they may not even be the same species. And Norton beat him (you can argue he won 2 of 3). So therefore Ken beats Alexander like a red-headed stepchild.

We’ll never know how good Povetkin really was sans PEDs, so perhaps a lot of the guys he got past on the way up could have done the same to him. If your estimation of Norton rests on one fight on his way up where he got caught, well, that’s generally not how we look at these things — Dempsey must not be a top 100 heavy (maybe not 500?) since he lost in one to a washed Fireman Flynn, right?

But of course to you, Povetkin gets slapped around by a cruiser and it’s just ‘a bad night out’ but when Ken loses one on the way up (avenged, and decisively) then it’s career-defining lol.

As for Povetkin’s chin, he went down like 10 times in his last 14 fights — starting with Wlad, when he really began to step up against opposition that wasn’t quite so hand-picked. The better class of fighters definitely exposed him.

 

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One reason Ken KO’d Bobick (no I’m not doubting he could punch hard 70s super fans) was because he hit him in the throat, watch the punch that gets Bobick in slow mo I’m positive this is the guy whose Adam’s apple Ken
disintegrated lol.

 

But isn’t the elephant in the room Norton’s chin with the Huck comparisons? (Among other things but still…) wasn’t Huck quite renowned for his chin? And that’s the 200lbs division that Norton, Ali and Foreman etc would all probably be in if they didn’t want money fights at HW.

 

I wonder how and when Povetkin became an ATG and why nobody told me....

 

I don’t think anyone is saying he’s an ATG just a very good pro fighter with the right attributes to beat Ken Norton who has his flaws and is not an ATG either.

 

How - By act of Parliament.

When - April 14, 2024, a little after 2:00 PM GMT.

Why nobody told you - We figured Povetkin would want to let you know personally.


I'm sorry you had to be the last to know, but this is old news for most of us, so you can understand why nobody thought to fill you in.

 

Povetkin would probably beat Norton, but tbh he is getting overrated. Norton is just chinny, I would pick solid guys like prime Larry Donald or Witherspoon to beat Povetkin. Povetkin literally struggled with an ancient Donald, but nobody really knows about this