Ken Norton Would Get Slept by Povetkin in Every Universe

Povetkin would give Ali a great fight. Don't delude yourself.

Fair.

Buddy, you need to urgently speak to the guy who made this comment then

"and barely beat Marco Huck (a cruiser) in a fight he arguably lost."

Wanna guess who started the "yabbut he lost to" game?

I'm cool with it. Huck > Garcia easily.

 

By the same token, it wouldn't surprise me to see Witherspoon beat Norton as well.

 

Winning every round = struggled? Some weird fanfic you're writing out here

 

Norton was better than Witherspoon in most departments, Witherspoon had power but not like that. Wouldn't be suprised but I wouldn't make him the favorite

He didn't win every round, was made to miss several times, Donald held his own in the pocket instead of getting overwhelmed and he was also 40 lol. The fact it was even competitive let's you know prime Donald could beat him. Its the exact same logic why I think prime Povetkin massacres aj, because aj struggled with the old version.

Stylistically how many prime movers has povetkin even beaten ? Its actually a good question.

 

Well said! I always liked Povetkin but he did cause a lot of the ugliness in that fight! I actually think for the majority of that fight (Especially after feeling Wlad’s power) he was kinda trying to survive the full 12 rather than actually going for the KO.

I do think that performance kinda lit a fire underneath him, and he came back with a vengeance. Too bad we didn’t get Wlad vs 2015 Povetkin because THAT would’ve been fireworks.

Anyway… Povetkin KO’s Norton worse than Cooney did. Probably in 3-4 rounds.

 

Great post and nails it on the head

 

Garcia wasn't some scrub, he had more physical/athletic talent than Huck & was a ranked hw across 4 consecutive years, which actually makes him more accomplished @hw than Huck was. What he didn't have was the option of dropping down to a lower weight class & building a career solely vs. opponents under 200lb like Huck did.

He demonstrated a good chin vs. opponents under 200lb, but he was still stopped/KO'd multiple times under 200. Norton was only ever stopped once by an opponent under 200 & his chin was good enough to withstand 54 total rnds vs. 2 of the best hws that ever lived w/o ever being dropped once.

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Wanna bet that the guys Huck fought at cruiser were bigger than the guys that Garcia fought at heavy?

Big deal, so what? Glowacki would have beaten Garcia like a drum

 

The average Huck opponent prior to his more permanent move to heavy in 2018, is 198lbs. His average on the whole is 203 (which also included someone 335). The average for Garcia, is 194. Extremely comparable, except Huck was a much better fighter. This average, while clearly heavier for Huck, is also skewed because a good deal of the sub 200lbs guys Huck was facing were cutting water weight while there no point doing so for Garcia's opponents above 175.

And why even bother mentioning that he didn't fight at heavyweight? Who cares? Huck was bigger, fought bigger people and Garcia started off at 160.

Lol at suggesting Norton has a better chin than Huck.

 

Huck's opponents (such as Usyk) were all coming typically 10lbs higher then what it says on the tin, some higher it's standard practice, they've also to be 200lbs besides boiling down have lost a deal of regular weight, in a time machine these are 210-215lbs fighters and that's not weird to say - Norton's chin is interesting, I remember Young hurting him with no follow up, Garcia stopped him and after Foreman he didn't pick up the phone for Lyle and waited till the $ shots dried up to finally fight guys like Shavers and Cooney, Though he did have his mindset issues, KN bullied overmatched sparring partners and was fed 175lbers in the gym to help with his confidence so it may have been more then just his chin.

 

Yeah, for sure. And I'd bet 10lbs is lowballing it. At 200lbs, that's only 5% of their bodyweight, which is pretty small fry in today's game. Thankfully boxing is nowhere near as bad as wrestling or MMA.

 

'There I said it?'

In what universe is Ken Norton being overrated a bold statement?

Povetkin would definitely enjoy fighting against Norton. Better chin, comparable or better punch, wouldn't need to find him circling. Norton is better up-close and can bend Sasha with a body shot, but overall Ken had certain counter-stylist quality to him, where it's just hard to be confident in him against the iron-chinned, come forward fighters, though I would bet on him in prevailing in such bouts with higher degree of confidence than some—he has a way inside, and can throw some wicked shots to the stomach while mixing it up with left hooks and overhands upstairs.

 

Getting rid of Eddie Futch was one of the worst decisions of Norton's career. His next corner told him to ease off in the 15th of Ali-Norton III and allowed him to enter the ring with a plan to tire Earnie Shavers on the ropes and inside. Both terrible decisions. Entering the ring against Cooney with his mileage was another one. Then again, Norton choose the yes-men himself.

 

Maybe you're newer but Norton used to be an "ATG" and was always the defacto winner if the guy couldn't punch once upon a time ago.

 

1st of all, it's impossible to know what the actual average is b/c not all his opponents' weights are readily available.

2nd, you're including fights from before he moved up from lhw. Once he moved up to hw, the majority of his known opponents' weights were in excess of 200lb.

b/c an earlier post touted him as a hw opponent based on credentials he amassed @ a lower weight class that wasn't yet available for Garcia to fight in.

& what great demonstration of Huck's chin is there that equates to 54 combined rnds vs. Ali & Holmes?

There's a difference between an opponent weighing in @ his ideal/comfortable weight vs. having weakened himself boiling down to a lower 1 & then rehydrating @ the last minute.

but even allowing for a hypothetical extra 10-15 lb of rehydration, Garcia still ended up facing multiple opponents that were as big or bigger.