Ken Overlin Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Seamus, Dec 13, 2012.


  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Here's some segments of his fight with tough Aussie Fred Henneberry. Overlin was a real cutie. Dancing, using his opponent's momentum, funky leads. He lost the hometown decision in this one. Take into consideration he often had to train while aboard ship with the Merchant Marine and the Navy. And he liked his hootch, too. Still he's a great fighter and this clip gives a hint at his style and abilities. (He's in the darker shorts)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC9Q3fl5AWE[/ame]
     
  2. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    In his own time they called Overlin the poor mans Harry Greb.

    135-19

    Ezzard Charles
    Apostoli
    Hostak
    Garcia
    Belloise
    Brown
    Matthews
    Balsamo
    Seelig

    2 Soose losses that both sound like a robbery

    Losses to Yarosz, Steele, Marshall, Dundee are nothing to be ashamed of. There are quite a few guys rated in the top 20 MW all time that Overlin should be ahead of. Arguably some that are routinely rated in the top 10. The fact that guys like Overlin are largely forgotten just shows how insanely deep the 30-40's were. Best MW era ever imo
     
  3. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I like how it was a "hometown decision" based on 83 seconds of heavily edited footage.

    That said I am surprised Fiery Fred managed to last that long without getting himself disqualified.
     
  4. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Quality fighter. Shame there's not more footage.
     
  5. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes!
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Sorry, I only meant that it was in Henneberry's backyard, not that there was home-cooking involved. Most of Overlin's fights were in port towns due to his job, many in Norfolk where he was based for a long time.
     
  7. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Billy Conn from Slibberty would be seething if this thread didn't mention,

    Ken Overlin Victor Over Rankins In Fast Fight .‎
    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - Aug 31, 1936
    [url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FYspAAAAIBAJ&sjid=iWkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4149,3636949&dq=overlin+rankins&hl=en[/url]
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    On second thought, the idea of "home cooking" is not far fetched...

    [url]http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/47973104?searchTerm=Overlin%20Henneberry&searchLimits=[/url]
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Yup, sounds like home cooking to me...

    [url]http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17470015?searchTerm=Overlin%20Henneberry&searchLimits=[/url]
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    I like the look of him but he makes Naseem Hamed look technically sound with some of the stuff he pulls

    Interesting with his style been likened to Greb, with his boxer mover style, which makes sense to me as I don't a brawler would be as successful as Greb was
     
  11. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very good find there.

    Bizarre hometown scoring isn't exactly unknown here (look at the Rose-Rudkin scorecards for a classic example) but it does sound like a close fight either way.

    Henneberry was a very good fighter when he kept his temper in check and dropping a possible hometown verdict is no knock on Overlin whatsoever.
     
  12. Bugger

    Bugger Active Member Full Member

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    A sleepless night had me reading some articles on this fight when the thread was started. There was certainly no love lost between the two, there was a bit of a slinging match there. When Overlin got back to the states he told reporters that he thought Fred had used plaster of paris in his gloves.

    Overlin went into Henneberry's dressing room before the fight and requested they wrap their hands in front of each other. Fred simply told him to get the hell out of his dressing room :lol:

    Fred hit back saying the allegations were ridiculous and said when Overlin's gloves were removed a fine white powder trickled from the gloves. Henneberry accused Ken of sprinkling plaster of paris into his wraps intending for his sweat to activate the powder.

    A Stadiums Ltd rep (cant remember who) said both alegations were completely false... that both opponents were witnessed by both opposing reps and police.
     
  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fred was an angry man come fight time and I'm not surprised he bristled at Overlin requesting to see him wrap his hands.

    Apparently out of the ring Fred was one of natures gentlemen but in the ring he was a headcase. He fought the great Ron Richards 10 times winning 3 but getting himself DQ'd 5 times out of a career total of 8 disqualification losses!

    He was gutsy and wasn't shy of facing the best Australia and the world had to offer meeting top notchers like Richards, Ambrose Palmer and Jack Carroll multiple times and also getting stopped by the all time great Archie Moore but Fred had a red hot dip at all of them.