Ken Overlin vs. Tony Zale

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  1. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I know there is only scant footage of both (especially Overlin)...But do I have any takers with an opinion on this one?...Overlin's bouncing style would give Zale quite a few problems...But could Zale freeze him up with a body attack? It's hard to say but I think Zale might be able to catch up to him late...(?)
     
  2. SLAKKA

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    Common, someone argue with me!!
     
  4. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The more you look at it...Overlin outpointing Zale is a pretty sound pick. the footage of Overlin is so so brief, but it looks like he would be hard to catch up to for a fighter like Zale. Zale had power, but not really the quick snapping power of a Freddie Steele. Conn stayed out of Zale's power range, Soose did to, and Overlin might as well. It's hard to really tell due to the breviety of the clip, but it looked like Henneberry kept sustained pressure on Overlin, and had the footspeed to do it. After further thought, I don't think Zale could provide that type of pressure. But judging a fight is always a matter of subjectivity and Zale might be given consideration for the harder blows and aggression by some good Nevada officials (for example)...In other words Overlin better be on his toes, literally and figuratively to beat a Tony Zale.
     
  5. burt bienstock

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    I hate to torment you S, but i have to agree that the "in shape " Ken
    Overlin [he liked his liquor would outpoiint tony zale at their best.
    The Overlin that beat Ezzard charles, fred Apostoli, Al Hostak, Ceferino
    Garcia,etc would be too elusive for the hard punching, less mobile Tony
    Zale...One of the most underated middleweights in history, was Sailor
    Ken Overlin..In 165 bouts on the road Overlin lost just 19 fights.
    Sidenote= In a quote i read Overlin when Champion was often called
    "the poor man's Harry Greb",Unquote. Overlin was quoted as saying'
    "I'm convinced Harry Greb would have licked me, and any contender.
    both in the same night, without a rest ".That is the ultimate compliment
    to the Pittsburgh Windmill, methinks !...
     
  6. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Right on boys!

    The most you cloud say about Zale was that he was Hostak with an edge and that fighter can't take Ken when once you read up on the Overlin vs Hostak ass whoppin. It dopes out sooo crystal clear!!
    Loss to Henberry was prior to Ken discovering what a hellva fighter he could be when he trained like a pro. This discovery came late vs Garcia. His career best form, a performance that had ole Nat Fleisher RAVING!
     
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    Right on boys!

    The most you cloud say about Zale was that he was Hostak with an edge and that fighter can't take Ken once you read up on the Overlin vs Hostak ass whoppin. It dopes out sooo crystal clear!!
    Loss to Henberry was prior to Ken discovering what a hellva fighter he could be when he trained like a pro. This discovery came late vs Garcia. His career best form, a performance that had ole Nat Fleisher RAVING!
     
  8. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually, Zale clearly outboxed/outmaneuvered Hostak for much of their fights:

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    No, there's much more that could be said about him, as the footage clearly shows. He was a much classier and more versatile fighter.

    For his part, Overlin scraped by with hotly disputed decisions over Steve Belloise and Fred Apostoli, and was flattened by Freddie Steele, so his style was not without its own shortcomings.
     
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    It was referred to as biz by Harry B. Smith a highly esteemed boxing scribe of the San Fran Chronicle. The title was in the hands of gangsters at the time. In later interviews Ken got very hyper on more than one sportswriter when questioned about events.
     
  12. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thx for the source...I guess you can say that you never ever truly know sometimes. So it's maybe...or maybe not. It seems like Steele was one of those rare guys who could ice somebody with one punch. He splattered people. Maybe Dundee and Lesnevich got hyper too recalling it(?) Maybe Ken got KO'd and is just whistlin'.
     
  13. SLAKKA

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    Harder to explain Harry B Smith puttin his career on the line.
     
  14. My2Sense

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    Belloise was the exact same year he beat Garcia.

    How much of his performance in that fight have you seen?

    And what about all the other boxing scribes who said Overlin was clearly going all-out to win for 3-and-a-half rounds and then got legitimately flattened? Do you just bypass their reports and select one that's more favorable to your point?