Ken Shamrock in his early days

Its like this prime Tito will always destroy any verson of Ken. Titos got better hands with tells you how bad Kens hands are,way better clinch,stronger,better wrestler,better GNP,BJJ etc. Look at there 3 fights and please show me something that Ken can do 3 fights he lost every secound of every round exept for that 1 KD in the 1st fight which Tito quickly recovered from then continued his brutal assault.

 

There is no comparison to the fighters of 1995 to a guy like Tito Ortiz. Severn was a wrestler and nothing else Tito has many more aspects to his game his training and all around game dwarfs Severns and Shamrocks. Im not expecting Tito to go in and knock Shamrock out or submitt him but it wouldnt be awhole lot different then there first meeting in 2002 just not as totally one sided. Shamrock never had any striking ability what so ever his made Tito look amazing watch there first fight Tito put on a Muay Thai and boxing clinic. Titos just to strong for him hes always bullied Shamrock and would do the same. Go ahead and say Shamrock was a walking corpse but Tito wasnt exactly doing to well himself dont forget Shamrock wasnt the only one fighting with an ACL problem in the 1st bout and Tito neglected his back injury for years including their pointless rematches in 06. The long fights Ken had back then where he just sat in someones guard or got dry humped have nothing on the kinda pace Tito Ortiz could force just ground and pounding not to mention what would do if actually attempted to pass or submitt.

 

He was somewhat washed up considering his age and all the steroid abuse in the WWF but he was fighting much more well rounded fighters and didnt evolve his training enough. Todays game actually requires gameplans for your fights Ken has none hes a fairly stupid fighter all his fights go the same he comes out and just stands there throws an occasional punch and gets KOed by the 1st thing that almost touches him.

 

He wasn't "washed up" when he came back. He was about five grades behind the curve. What worked against one dimensional fighters didn't work anymore and he was too egotistical to accept it, so he did the same old thing and found different results.

 

Ken never deteriorated. He just never evolved. His whole act was a WWF charade. I mean c`mon his standup was weak his submission game only consisted of an ankle lock and he just couldnt live up to his aura. The facts remain Ken was never that good. A pioneer yes but his brother had way more skills than him.

 

True and his brother was never THAT great.

 

No he deteriorated cleary from his pancrase days. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

 

What happened to Ken was the same thing that happend to Royce..same thing that happened to Severn, to Coleman, to Mo smith, Frye...they got old and they got behind..thats all..its a pretty young sport...it will evolve quicker...5 years from now..even GSP will be behind..youll see guys that will be flying in the octagon...Actually in muy opinion..Anderson Silva is a precursor to what most MMA fighters stand up will look like in a few years..with a ground game like BJ

 

ken couldnt beat tito EVER in any way ...tito is far superior in strength and GNP and has much more real experience with real well rounded fighters

 

Pancrase rules and MMA are 2 VERY diffrent sports. Was Ken able to adjust? The answer is an astounding no. Bas Rutten was also the same.

 

I mite be wrong but didnt Bas have more loses in Pancrase than in MMA/UFC and injuries stopped him competing?
To be fair, I think if they were both introduced to mma today Bas would do much better than Ken, he was much more well rounded than Ken would ever be. Would be interesting to see how they match up to modern mma fighters, any thoughts?

 

The thing is, Ken is like an old dog who has been around and has had every opportunity to learn and evolve. He is barely a different fighter stylewise than he was at his peak.

He never evolved... Okay, maybe he learned how to throw a knee. But other than that the only weapons on the ground he's ever had have been ankle manipulations.

Ken Shamrock = Heel hook bomber with absolutely no defense.

Tito in his prime was a takedown artist, with gnp that was reasonably effective from full guard. This is actually quite a special thing that only a handfull of fighters are good hat. Its not the prettiest thing to see, but it basically made Tito Ortiz.

Tito's takedown ability becomes more and more limited with his aging, and opponents knowing he has a singular gameplan. Since his takedown ability stock has plummeted, due to him not being able to throw hands very well to set up takedowns, Tito as a fighter's stock has gone down..

Thing about Ken, he has never even been great at takedowns.