Kenny Norton Against Marciano? Anyone See Rocky Losing?

Tua was 245 pounds vs Lewis..... which is 60 pounds heavier than Marciano.

He was also more durable than Marciano, had more power, and was much more explosive.

Also didn't Tua lose 12-0 ? So how does that help you make a case for Marciano ? I'm actually confused.

As I said if you think a Cruiserweight with a 67 inch reach beats Super Heavyweights your living in a fantasy world.

 

Because Tyson was 218 pound physical specimen, who was one of the most explosive, athletic, quickest, Heavyweights in history.

Does Marciano meet any of those criteria's ? No.

 

Punching bags won't help you vs fighters who are more skillful, bigger, more powerful, with ridiculous advantages in size.

Marciano was fighting former Light Heavyweights not 240 pound Super Heavyweight beasts.

 

What lol

 

Norton isn’t surviving this fight.

 

So what?

 

Norton weighed in at 205 when he fought and defeated Ali. His highest weight was 225 (not quite superheavyweight) and he got blasted out in one round each time he weighed that much.

If we're pitting those slow, immoble versions of Norton against Marciano, I'm taking Rocky every time.

 

If Marciano was bigger than Norton I think he still loses, and I don't think Norton was unbeatable or anything close to it. On video, RM is one of the least impressive fighters I've seen. If there are intangibles that can not be seen on video that would make Marciano one of the best ever, then what is the point of watching video? The guy looks slow, awkward, clumsy, etc. I've never heard a coach/trainer tell a fighter to do something like RM. I suppose he was the best of his era, if everything was on the level, makes me think that WW2 took a heavy toll on boxing talent.

I'm amazed when I read these threads and people rate RM so high. The video from the Mayweather Gym when fighters are asked who would win between Andre Ward and RM is the most accurate assessment of RM I have seen. The fighters are amused to be asked a question in which the answer is so obvious, and all but one pick AW.

 

Wow really? That changes everything! Marciano goes through the division like a hot knife through butter in that case!

His stamina is rated just right. Among the best I've ever seen.

His power's a little overrated if anything. He wasn't a one shot KO artist ala Liston and Foreman. He was a grinder that had to wear his opponents down.

 

His original quote was that the only fighter that could beat Marciano was Ali.

I made a point of mentioning "Super Heavyweights" like Lennox Lewis. That its ludicrous to think that a Cruiserweight like Marciano with 67 inch reach could beat someone like Lewis.

I wasn't specifically on about Norton regarding the above, I haven't actually spoke about Norton in this topic. I just thought the quote about Marciano beating any Heavyweight in history apart from Ali is a bit silly in all honesty. Given Marciano's severe limitations regarding his height, reach, weight.

 

U really know far less about boxing than u think u do. It’s sad that u can’t breakdown film but seem to project as if u can. If u can’t see the defense, tactics, stamina, counter punching, swarming style that made him great than shame on u. Luckily most experts aren’t so willfully blind
When Mayweather learns to read and his posy w a combined 50 iq learn as well we can take their opinions seriously.

 

I wish Marciano had come along a few years later than he did. It would have been good to see him fight a Cleveland Williams or even Sonny Liston. While the results of the fight (especially in the case of Williams) wouldn't tell us if he would beat Lewis, it would give us a glimpse into how Rocky could possibly perform. One thing Rocky had going for him is he definitely hit harder than Muhammad Ali and Ali hit hard enough to hurt Liston and Williams. And if the 2nd Ali/Liston fight is to be believed, he hit hard enough to floor Liston.

By the way, I favor Liston over Marciano. I do think Liston stops Rocky. At least the 58-62 version of Liston.

 

Yeah I think Norton would give Marciano all he could handle for a while, but eventually gets KOd. Kenny might score a knockdown along the way but I doubt it.

 

I should also add that, like you, I have the utmost respect for Marciano. Not least for the facts that he always entered the ring in acutely great shape and gave it his all.

 

Boomer heavyweight? That's new, and if "modern training" = PEDs I get what you are saying.
I do suspect that certain fighters' abilities have been exaggerated to make RM's record look better. Most of his record was compiled on the NE club circuit and then he fought some other fighters that were better, like Charles,Walcott, and Moore. I haven't seen enough video of those fighters prior to fighting RM to have an opinion on them. Since I can't talk to RM's opponents or sparring partners, video is all I have to go on and I just don't find RM impressive on video.