Kenny Norton vs Marciano's opponents. Would he have also ran the table and went 49-0?

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  1. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Picture Norton who is considered to be a very good heavyweight with flaws fighting Rocky Marciano's competition in the late 1940's to the mid 1950's. Would we be hailing Kenny in the same stratosphere as the we do the all-time greats? Or would he just still have been considered the way he is now - an excellent fighter who had trouble with the big punchers? Just think though that the only two really big bangers the Rock faced were probably a washed-up Joe Louis and an ancient Archie Moore. Carmine Vingo, Rex "Bully Boy" Lane, Jersey Joe Walcott all had power but are not considered to be legendary in the power department.

    Dare I say Norton beats them all and goes 49-0 with a similar amount of knockouts that Marciano had. Louis would have knocked out Norton anywhere near his prime but was a mere shell of his former self in 1951 when Rocky beat him and still got his face all puffed up. A young Norton who defeated Ali, Quarry, Henry Clark, etc. has a great chance to beat this Louis who ironically I regard as the toughest challenge of all of the opponents of Marciano. A young Norton overpowers Charles and Walcott and bombs out Archie Moore in less rounds than Rocky did imo. Thoughts?
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My initial thought is I think you're trying too hard to run Marciano down.

    Consider that Ken Norton probably beats everyone Joe Louis defeated as well -- and beats Ezzard Charles, too - who Louis didn't beat.

    Norton fought in arguably the greatest era of heavyweight boxing and he's in the Hall of Fame. He'd likely have done pretty well in any era of the heavyweights, particularly the weaker ones.
     
  3. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    No, knowing Norton's chin he could get rocked by Charles or Moore. Same with Louis.. Norton would get knocked out at some point just because of his chin issues alone.
     
  4. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Blow Screwis was a walking corpse at nearly 75 years old when he fought Marciano but still managed to win a few rounds. Norton would have beaten down that version of the Brown Bomber whose nickname should have been more aptly changed to the "White Snorter".
     
  5. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    I'm not trying to knock the rock at all. I just think that Norton could have been regarded as an atg if he gets the third decision against Ali. Also, the second Ali fight and Holmes fights could have went either way. They were both razor-thin verdicts. Now imagine what Norton's status is if he got the nod in those two fights as well? He still would have been kayoed by the big bombers he faced but would have been undeated (4-0) against Ali and Holmes.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I think Norton beats those versions of Layne, Louis,Moore ,Charles,Vingo,Walcott would be 50/50.His standing would then be a lot higher than it currently is.Going into these fights, if he was undefeated and, if he beat Walcott too he probably makes my no 10 which is where Rocky resides.
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't think he goes 49-0. He likely picks up an early loss to a Jose Luis Garcia type opponent back then. He may or may not beat Joe Walcott. I'd pick him to decision Ezzard Charles and beat Roland Lastarza and ****ell. Not sure about Moore.
     
  8. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No. He'd slip up at least once and probably more than once somewhere. Going to 49-0 is frickin' difficult.
     
  9. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I thought Norton won all 3 Ali fights and I don't think your argument is outlandish; Walcott would be the hardest for Ken, with his sneaky power and Charles might outbox Norton. He'd be a tough fight for them also, though.
     
  10. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict

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    Norton went 4-8 against top 10 opponents, if my memory is correct. He is only in the HOF to make Ali look good.
     
  11. thesnowman22

    thesnowman22 Member Full Member

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    interesting question. I think not tho.
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    He would match up well vs Marciano’s competition, but he simply isn’t versatile or consistent enough to go 49-0. As others have said, he slips up somewhere, probably more than once. One guy who might be a good candidate to do it first is Rex Layne.
     
  13. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No. Because Ken was a good fighter who could not raise his game for title fights. His destiny was only to be a contender because the championship distance intimidated Ken Norton.

    Ken blew it in three title fights. He just did not do himself justice in title fights because the occasion got to him. He froze against George. Then hr should have crucified the faded Ali but was far too cautious about pacing himself over 15 rounds. In the Holmes fight he took too long to get going.

    Now you can argue that Holmes, Ali and Foreman are top ten ATG champions but Ali was not ATG level in their title fight. Spinks beat the same guy. Norton could not. Foreman was exposed by Ali who Norton beat, ken should have been more competative than that. Ken was no more competative than Jose king Roman! Holmes had a bad arm. Ken gave Larry too many early rounds, he gave them away! It was like the 15 round limit intimidated Norton.
     
  14. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Great point Mr. Magoo! I was just thinking the very same thing after examining Norton's wins and losses. You have to have razor-like focus to be undefeated like Marciano was. Norton even admitted himself that after the heartbreaking third fight with Ali he never had the same focus again. Yes, Norton did come back and defeat Garcia but he was knocked out earlier in his career by him.
     
  15. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    All of your responses were excellent. Now I will no longer overrate Norton which I had done soley because of the Ali fights and to a lesser extent the holmes fight. He was very good but not a great fighter.